Friday, September 28, 2007

A Different Angle

A friend invited us over last night to watch the film Zietgeist. I had no idea what it was about and was surprised to see the whole 9/11 conspiricy thing slightly re-arranged from the last version I saw a couple of weeks ago and wrote about. (and which no one really cares about,I know, I know) I am fascinated from a sociological point of view, what it says about our present historical moment, that this form of extreme discontent seems so creepily prevelant.

Zietgeist takes a somewhat different approach to get to the same non-conclusion. Whereas Tim's documentary was "faith based", relying on old testament scripture and prophesy to buttress it's revelations, this film begins by deconstructing Christianity and locating it in an astrological/mythological continuim in order to demonstrate the degree to which humans are susceptible to brainwashing-indoctrination-propagandizing etc.. From there we go through the libertarian litany of corrupt monetary policy, central banks, Rockefellers, gold standards blah blah to get to "false flag" operations, Lusittania, Tonkin Gulf etc to finally arrive once again at the pancaking Twin Towers. Skipping the whole Illuminatti, Mason, Bohemian Grove ,Skull and Crossbone angle we go straight to the International Bankers, Central Bank, Federal Reserve cabal to find our evil doers mixed with Bush Family ties and Packistani ISI.

I don't know. I still can't buy in and I still can't figure out what these folks want us to do. The film ends withthe slogan "The Revolution Is Now" but I can't figure out what got replaced by what.

43 Comments:

At 8:51 PM, Blogger sonia said...

The only logical and rational explanation of those insane conspiracy theories is that Bush's White House spreads those ideas to divide, discredit and scare its enemies.

Divide e impera...

 
At 10:18 PM, Blogger Graeme said...

For some completely idiotic reason, i have a myspace account and I have gotten a few messages about how "powerful" and "shocking" that movie is. I didn't watch it, but I guessed it was about 9/11 or the Federal reserve or everything above.

I have been getting some support Ron Paul messages as well. No surprise, but from the same people.

 
At 11:03 PM, Blogger Renegade Eye said...

The conspiracy types give me the creeps.

I think we dislike that type of analysis, because we think about class, dialectics, concrete situations, the sweep of history; as opposed to personalities of bourgeiose politicians.

 
At 5:33 PM, Blogger beakerkin said...

Troutsky

Lets see mindless conspiracies that almost invariably have an anti-semitic undertone. It seems that Commies add their bigotries to suit their delusions. You have now moved to the head of the asylum. Perhaps you labotomy at one of Cuba's famed mental health facilities set it.

G

If Ron Paul is sending you messages he needs to leave the GOP.
Republicans have a rather low opinion of your type. Of course there is hope you will grow out of this Commie cult bit and rejoin humanity.

Ren

Your kind is the king of conspiracies. Embrace your inner crank and get medicated. Tell us how you will follow the insane musings of a dead man walking war criminal windbag and make communism work. Everyone else is at fault for the failures and the system works just fine yada yada yada.

When Rudy wins how many of you chicken collectivists will emigrate. If you are going to advocate Communism for others you should live under it yourselves. Uncle Hugo needs you to push drugs and arm FARC.

 
At 9:53 PM, Blogger Renegade Eye said...

The king of one liners is back.

Racist Rudy is not winning anything.

Let's look at your perspective: Pinochet, Videla, the Colombian Death Squads, are forces for democracy.

According to you, at Roman's blog, MoveOn is communist, John Kerry is a communist sympathizer.

 
At 4:06 AM, Blogger gregra&gar said...

I still can't buy in and I still can't figure out what these folks want us to do.

It is to laugh when ye lifelong social activists, so adroit at quoting historical precedents with all the us/them jargon inherent in the discipline, come upon information that either doesn't fit or ignores your concepts, or is so enormous it encompasses and overwhelms both sides of your arguments that you throw your hands up in frustration at not being told where the protest march or meeting is. Is it more convenient to dismiss it than rethink the whole thing? If your newspaper had the same information would you ask what the editor wants you to do?

You've been informed. Your doings from now on will reflect on your regard for the information. What more can one expect of another?

They

 
At 5:17 AM, Blogger beakerkin said...

Ren

Lets see nowhere do I describe Pinochet as my ideal form of government. However, defending oneself from Communist agression and theft is clearly self defense. The prosperity of Chile as opposed to Cuba is apparent.

This is opposed to your endless repeating of Chavez who you alternately claim not to support while mindlessly repeating his talking points and dismissing a missionary who lived there for years. You might also tell your fables to the Eastern Europeans, Cubans, Zimbabwean, Venezuelans and religious minorities living under Islamic opression who you spit on.

Would you like to appologize for your assasination of the Yezidi on your site. You took a problem that is almost entirely Muslim and depicted it as being typified as a Yezidi practice. Moreover, if you were not such an ignoramus you would know Yezidi women are frequently abducted by Muslims. This also happens to Coptic Christians in Egypt.

There are other people in the world besides Pseudostinians. The notion of Arabs or Muslims and opressed turns logic on its head.

Lets see Rudy is a racist in the book of the mindless Ren. Ren defends a person who frequently calls Jews Nazis and has called Ellie Wiesel a "circus clown". Finky also claimed Jewish leaders looked like " caricatures from Der Sturmer". We can add the comments of Noam Chimpanzee who refered to NYC as a Jewish run enclave in America.

Troutsky you need to commit a criminal act to boost your resume for a job in academia with no credentials.How about liberating Hamsters from their cages while singing Born Free. You can write tracts about Hamster opression being made to run on excersize wheels that get nowhere.

" Hamsters of the World Unite Troutsky and Che Bob are on the way to liberate you".

When Rudy wins let the exodus of commies commence. How many of your kind will promise to emigrate and renounce your citizenship.

 
At 5:43 AM, Blogger Liberal White Boy said...

That is right all we need is a few treasonous Ashkenazi Gerbils to show us the way.

 
At 12:01 PM, Blogger beakerkin said...

Speaking anti-semites Ren's pet bigot shows up with his material lifted from the Protocols of the Elders of Zion and Stormfront. Ren is okay with actual Nazis like LWB so long as they kiss his ring.

I want to point out the difference between Eric, G and the Commie Capo Ren. Eric did tell the Nazi LWB to knock off the anti-semitism directly. Even G did so somewhat milder. The cafeteria comissar of the Trotsky special ed class says nothing and throws Nazis like LWB red meat. Then he feigns outrage at being called an antisemite.

Even more amusing is Commies whose record of treason would cast aspersions on the patriotism of American Jews. I guess Ana Montes, the Rosenbergs and Hiss all were fans of skiball.

LWB

Do you still have your SS underoos?
Has Ren applied for the job of capo in your concentration camp?

Have you ever thought up any original material? Your next intelligent thought will be your first.

 
At 6:14 PM, Blogger Liberal White Boy said...

That's not true Beakerkahane; there are all kinds of original material on my blog. Here's a test to determine if you are a Zionist bigot. You should take it.
http://homo-sapien-underground.blogspot.com/2006/04/dear-mr-smitham-i-judeo-fascist-bigot.html

And here is a post about the under representation of Jewish Americans in our armed forces. I think this is odd since AIPAC, Jinsa and the Zionist Media are clamoring for war with Iran.
http://homo-sapien-underground.blogspot.com/2007/09/as-aipac-and-other-cabal-members.html

And here is a post announcing the new TV series Goober Pyle IDF. Fun and original stuff.

http://homo-sapien-underground.blogspot.com/2007/07/goober-pyle-idf-episode-ii.html

Oh and by the way Beakerkahane, we didn't have the holocaust in this country; we just got stuck with the museum.

 
At 7:20 PM, Blogger beakerkin said...

Troutsky

LWB is the class valedictorian of this special ed class of dimbeciles. However, to be a good Commie one has to start with half a brain and suspend rational thinking.

LWB is too stupid to undersatand he illustrates my points quite well. Your continued acceptance of his rabid anti-semitism shows all of you to be hypocrites. No doubt if he had couched his Nazi rhetoric against once of the oficial Marcuse designated victims groups there would be some life in your worthless souls. Only G has shown some vestige of humanity.

LWB/John Brown is uterly clueless and his antics do not bother me. In fact his antics are an albatros around the neck of Ren who clearly approves of Nazism so long as the Nazi kiss his ring.

It seems like LWB has wet his SS underoos.

 
At 3:06 AM, Blogger Liberal White Boy said...

Troutsky

beakerkahane/Daniel Pipes is quite proud of the fact that you once referred to him as herpes. If true, I believe you owe herpes everywhere an apology. I have long said that beakerkahane/Daniel Pipes is a mutant Ashkenazi Joooooo out to single handily disprove the brilliance stereotype.

When one speaks of Pseudostinians he or she opens up a real can of wormsteins. How can someone be an anti-Semite if they support a free Palestinian State. (the authentic Semites)

 
At 8:53 AM, Blogger A Wiser Man Than I said...

I like conspiracy theories well enough; I think it's unwise to believe the government is telling us the (full) truth. But the simple fact is that Al-Qaeda has admitted to the attacks. Moving on...

this film begins by deconstructing Christianity and locating it in an astrological/mythological continuim in order to demonstrate the degree to which humans are susceptible to brainwashing-indoctrination-propagandizing etc..

Says the Marxist. With all due respect, this is a silly thing to say. Christianity may be bunk, but people believe far more ridiculous things all the time.

It's interesting, too, that the Christian "myth" is still believed by millions and millions two thousand yeas after the death of Christ. I wonder if the same will hold for the 9/11 conspiracy types--or the Marxists.

 
At 8:58 AM, Blogger A Wiser Man Than I said...

When Rudy wins let the exodus of commies commence. How many of your kind will promise to emigrate and renounce your citizenship.

For what it's worth, this libertarian is thinking about it. I too think Communism is mostly stupid; even if it recognizes a genuine injustice, it tries to correct it, inevitably, with a greater one.

But neo-cons aren't doing much thinking themselves. Let's put Uncle Rudi in charge so that we can all live in a police state. Remind me again why Bug Government "conservatives" are any better than the alternative.

Here's to Ron Paul and an end to the madness.

 
At 4:08 PM, Blogger cringinginamazement said...

"But the simple fact is that Al-Qaeda has admitted to the attacks. Moving on..."


That is not a fact at all. The video of Bin Laden "admitting" 9/11 was an amateurish hoax.

Interesting isn't it that the US has no warrant out for any Al Qaeda linked boogeymen for 9/11?

The warrant issued for OBL relates to the embassy bombings in Africa. Even that connection is tenuous. He was treated in a US naval hospital AFTER that and the USS Cole bombing.

The only concrete truth surrounding all this stuff is that Bin Laden was a known CIA agent and Al Qaeda was a known CIA creation with numerous operational connections going back to Carter's presidency.

 
At 6:37 PM, Blogger sonia said...

Cringinginamazement,

Tell your CIA handlers to go fuck themselves.

It reminds me of that story from the Montebello summit recently when the loudest 'protesters' who were trying to make trouble turned out to be undercover police agents.

There are two certitudes on the Net:

1. A commenter claiming to be a horny 12-year-old girl works for the FBI.

2. A commenter claiming that Osama Bin Ladin is a CIA agent IS a CIA agent himself.

Do you really think, Mr Agent Provocateur, that even a single Muslim radicals tempted to join Al Qaeda will believe this bullshit about Osama being a CIA agent ? Your tactics are pathetically incompetent...

 
At 7:22 PM, Blogger beakerkin said...

A Wiser Man

Why not ask for donations from Rudy supporters after victory. We will gladly ship you to wherever you wish provided you renounce your citizenship.

I am at least glad that you have one foot in reality. Your point about Communism was one I have said many times. However, I do distinguish the youthful idealists
like Graeme from the souless powermad Ren.

G is like countless youngsters before him searching for Eden. When we grow up most of us understand there is no Utopia or Eden and we understand human nature and power.

Wisdom generally comes with age, the exception is communists who remain mindless so long as they cling to failed ideas.

LWB

Keep making Ren look stupider with every anti-semitic utterance. I find the silence of the verbose Ren to be delightful.

 
At 1:51 AM, Blogger Liberal White Boy said...

Polish Ghetto...Gaza Ghetto...What is the Difference? http://homo-sapien-underground.blogspot.com/2007/01/lwb-asks-whats-differencepolish.html

 
At 6:19 AM, Blogger A Wiser Man Than I said...

Cringe,

Don't be overly obtuse. This is from Justin Rainmondo, hardly a neo-con since he runs anti-war.com. The words in quotes are from Osama Bin Laden.

"Then you claim to be innocent! This innocence of yours is like my innocence of the blood of your sons on the 11th – were I to claim such a thing."

The terrorist leader has a sense of humor, albeit a dark one: no doubt the 9/11 Truthers will take this as some kind of validation of their thesis, even though, plainly, and for the second time, bin Laden is taking responsibility for the attacks.

 
At 6:22 AM, Blogger A Wiser Man Than I said...

Why not ask for donations from Rudy supporters after victory. We will gladly ship you to wherever you wish provided you renounce your citizenship.

Is that a promise? It's a moot one since Rudy is going to lose to Hillary, especially as the Religious Right is finally growing a spine and appears to be unwilling to support a wolf in sheep's clothing.

Also, can you get the feds to wave the provision which allows them to claim taxes ten years after someone leaves the country?

What is it about Rudy that makes him so worth supporting? He's virtually indistinguishable from the democrats, except that while they wage war while pretending to be helpless to stop it, Rudy is crazy enough to run as a warmonger. That'll never work. I'm almost thankful.

 
At 7:57 AM, Blogger troutsky said...

I just saw Ann Coulter on the Today show and thought of my old buddy beakerkin. I think she too has the weary look of one who "understands human nature and power" while wearing a miniskirt and black boots (borrowed from Condi?)What if she married Al Franken and they started a Matlin/Carville shtick ? They could have their own show and invite beakerkin on for some biting snark, then we could drink ourselves to sleep and call it another invigorating day in the land of the free,home of the brave.

 
At 5:42 PM, Blogger eric said...

There are two certitudes on the Net:

1. A commenter claiming to be a horny 12-year-old girl works for the FBI.

2. A commenter claiming that Osama Bin Ladin is a CIA agent IS a CIA agent himself.


Actually, there's another:

3. A commenter claiming to be an attractive woman who lives naked on an uninhabited island is a 15 to 25-year-old man with bad skin who fantasizes about someday working for the CIA but really works at the KFC.

 
At 6:23 PM, Blogger sonia said...

Eric,

15 to 25-year-old

I wish.

really works at the KFC.

This is a new one. I already have been 'uncovered' as "Fred from Melbourne, 53 years old, public service clerk all his life until sacked by the Kennett government", as "a good, old-fashioned-minded Jewish girl from Brooklyn" and as "working in the TV/Film industry".

Personally, I would prefer to be a TV actress than a KFC cashier....

 
At 6:28 PM, Blogger beakerkin said...

Troutsky

If you think of me while watching Ann Coulter you have been spending too much time with the fishes. Even lab rats have more sense than Communist and learn from their failures.

LWB

This is not a special education class. I do not respond to John Brown aliases with questions that are obvious.

Do note the silence of Ren who must be mortified by your comments.

Wiser

The GOP is a wide tent party. The Rudy wing was created when people who colaberate with Communists like Gomer Kerry were allowed into the Democratic party. I can disagree with a social conservative
andrespect them. However, I will never be part of any group that allows Commies to participate even when they agree. This is also my position with KKK types and Nazis.

 
At 10:32 PM, Blogger cringinginamazement said...

A Wiser Man Than I said...
Cringe,

Don't be overly obtuse. This is from Justin Rainmondo, hardly a neo-con since he runs anti-war.com. The words in quotes are from Osama Bin Laden.


Obtuse? You need to look that word up in your Pocket Oxford.

I read Justin Raimondo regularly but I take the same skeptical view as I do with anyone. At the end of the day he is a Libertarian and thus is prone to flights of fantasy and illogic. Libertarians are nuts.

The famous tape of Bin Laden admitting 9/11 is a hoax.

If OBL had anything to do with 9/11 it was almost certainly as an asset, unless you believe that he could make NORAD stand down from his cave in Tora Bora.

Bin Laden/Tim Osman has a 25 year history with CIA/ISI/MI6/ Saudi Intelligence as the leader of what was effectively the Saudi Foreign Legion. Al Qaeda was used even under Clinton in Bosnia and then later as antiSerb agent provocateurs in Kosovo.

This is a matter of record.

i'd suggest you look at Able Danger. And then look at the Mossad connections.

Then have a look at the same cast of players in London 7/7. Some remarkable coincidences.

The security services have a long history of false flag operations and Mossad is the acknowledged master.

 
At 10:59 PM, Blogger cringinginamazement said...

Sonia,
I hesitate to respond as I think you are an imbecile but I'll give you the courtesy in this case.

I don't even believe in "Muslim radicals". I've spent a lot of time in the muslim world and the concept just doesn't fit.

Muslim extremism is a concept that fits irrational white western thinking. It evokes the boogeyman fear.

 
At 5:07 AM, Blogger sonia said...

Cringinginamazement,

I don't even believe in "Muslim radicals". I've spent a lot of time in the muslim world and the concept just doesn't fit.

I am not surprised. As a loyal CIA agent, you obviously don't think that the United States (or the West) has ever done anything wrong to the Arab countries, and therefore there are no "Muslim radicals" who hate the West in retaliation for it.

Wake up. They are plenty of Muslims who hate you and your kind for all the crimes that your organization has committed in the Arab world over the decades.

Problem is, those Muslims radicals have a hard time distinguishing between hardline CIA agents provocateurs like you, and the rest of humanity.

So we all pay for YOUR crimes...

 
At 11:17 AM, Blogger A Wiser Man Than I said...

The famous tape of Bin Laden admitting 9/11 is a hoax.

Says who? Raimondo dissected the latest video; if OBL is a fabrication of the neo-cons, he's an absolutely ridiculous one.

I'm not saying that we got the complete story with 9/11, but it makes no sense to believe the whole thing was a fantastic conspiracy. It just doesn't hold up.

And why are libertarians nuts? Everyone keeps saying this, but if there is a lesson to learn from the 20th century it is surely this: government is not to be trusted.

I still say you're being obtuse.

 
At 3:26 PM, Blogger cringinginamazement said...

"Says who? Raimondo dissected the latest video; if OBL is a fabrication of the neo-cons, he's an absolutely ridiculous one."


Flat out ridiculous. A caricature of all that the neocons would want the boogeyman to represent. The fact that he is ranting about things that were never on OBL's mind at all doesn't seem to enter the consciousness of Raimondo and his fellow travellers.

At face value OBL's strategic aim was the same as the Bush family. Control of the world's cheap to extract oil. That was his concern about US troops in the Arabian Peninsula. He was an elitist Wahabbi, not a socialist Ba'athist or social democrat shiite.

Why are Libertarians nuts? Because the economic prescription that they dispense is unachievable and would lead directly back to monopoly capitalism. The fascist corporatavism you have now is a direct result of the pursuit of the Libertarian model not despite it.

The belief system is predicated on a number of false premises. Primary falsehood is that bthere is no such thing as noneconomic goods and services. That is a complete denial of reality. Noneconomic goods and services are not able to be allocated under a 'free' market system.

Perhaps the lesson of the 20th century is that governments in the pocket of corporations and bankers are not to be trusted.

Laissez-faire leads to monopolies, not competition. Monopolies lead to fascism.

The 9/11 conspiracy theories don't hold up?

Most of the 9/11 truth movement simply wants answers to unaddressed questions. No whacky theories are necessary to believe that the official story is a concoction of lies and cover ups.

The propaganda tool of clustering works well on the majority of a gullible population that can only see a duality.

You've associated the doubters with the whacky and decided the official line is the only other choice.

The 9/11 commission report is a ridiculous cover up that anyone with an enquiring mind can see through.

I don't pretend to know the full story and can't prove who done it, but what I do know is that there is aan awful lot of empirical evidence that questions and refutes the official theory.

 
At 4:43 PM, Blogger A Wiser Man Than I said...

The fascist corporatavism you have now is a direct result of the pursuit of the Libertarian model not despite it.

That's patently false. Corporatism came about because of an 1886 Supreme Court ruling. Originally, corporations were controlled by state law. Here's a bit of information for you, courtesy of a crazy libertarian.

It seems like a paradox to suggest that Big Government has given us Corporatism, but it actually makes a lot of sense. Attempts to regulate the government invariably lead to the latter getting into bed with industry. Surely libertarians must be to blame.

Primary falsehood is that bthere is no such thing as noneconomic goods and services. That is a complete denial of reality. Noneconomic goods and services are not able to be allocated under a 'free' market system.

Only Ayn Rand pretends that. We merely question the wisdom of letting the government provide for these non-economic goods. That War on Poverty goes well, eh?

Perhaps the lesson of the 20th century is that governments in the pocket of corporations and bankers are not to be trusted.

The middle of the sentence is unnecessary. How do you prevent the government from being in the pocket of... Simple. Keep it small. Unless you have another suggestion.

Monopolies lead to fascism.

And the primary monopoly, as always, is that of the state. Wal-Mart is an eyesore, but it's not like they're going to start developing nukes any time soon. Or invading other countries.

I don't pretend to know the full story and can't prove who done it, but what I do know is that there is aan awful lot of empirical evidence that questions and refutes the official theory.

I apologize. I think I misunderstood your position. I think it's ridiculous to believe that OBL didn't do it since he admitted to it. But you're right if you doubt the government spouted line. I doubt it myself.

 
At 5:40 PM, Blogger cringinginamazement said...

Well, he didn't admit to it. That isn't Bin Laden.

Governements are the best vehicle for providing noneconomic goods and services. What other way is there that doesn't bring commercial interests into it? Once you bring commerce into government, then you are running down the neoliberal road to fascism again.

The Northern and Western European social democrat mixed economies are hands down the best performing countries on earth post WW2.

Watch the poverty, crime and debt levels rise in France under the zionist neoliberal Sarkozy. In 10 years or so they should be as disfunctional as Thatcher/Blair/Brown's Britain is today.

I bet they can't wait.

 
At 5:41 PM, Blogger cringinginamazement said...

Oh, and smaller the government the easier to corrupt. See the IMF model for instruction.

 
At 6:24 PM, Blogger cringinginamazement said...

Sorry, forgot this one....

"That's patently false. Corporatism came about because of an 1886 Supreme Court ruling. Originally, corporations were controlled by state law. Here's a bit of information for you, courtesy of a crazy libertarian."


That is a non sequitur. If there weren't corporations there would be partnerships, limited partnerships, co-ops etc.

The legal format is not the problem (though I concede it magnifies the problem in some cases).

CorporatAVism is about the alliance of capital and the state.

 
At 7:31 AM, Blogger A Wiser Man Than I said...

Governements are the best vehicle for providing noneconomic goods and services.

No they're not. Despite our War on Poverty, poor people aren't any better off. Name one government program that solved a problem.

On the other hand, governments are the best vehicle for carrying out genocide.

CorporatAVism is about the alliance of capital and the state.

Which comes about when you try to regulate business.

If the videos don't show OBL, then who do they show?

 
At 9:09 AM, Blogger troutsky said...

"Name one government program?' C'mon plenty of programs work as intended, help with the symptoms, but the "problem" is much bigger.

I admit there are plenty of huge gaps in the official 9/11 explanation. I just find it an illogical, implausable "false flag" operation.

This is a record length thread!

 
At 3:28 PM, Blogger cringinginamazement said...

The war on poverty is over.

The poor lost.

Seriously though, I don't know the details of the "plan" but I suspect it was never intended to work.

If we're going to use anecdotal evidence, then I'll use just 2 words.

Health care.

Game set and match I believe.

The notion that private industry can be more efficient than government can in allocation of noneconomic goods and services doesn't stand the logic test. By definition private industry must cost more due to the margin required.

That government may have been inefficient (in accountant's terms) in the past does not mean a) that can't be improved or b) that it is necesarily inefficient in macroeconomic terms.

Governments are actually very efficient recyclers of capital and currency. Much better than big business.

This is but one of the religious leaps of faith that identify the Libertarian dreamers.

I've had a good laugh at the Austrian School devotees many times. It's a convincing cant to the uncritical and untrained.

 
At 3:33 PM, Blogger cringinginamazement said...

"I admit there are plenty of huge gaps in the official 9/11 explanation. I just find it an illogical, implausable "false flag" operation."


Why is it illogical? It gave the Bush administration the political capital to launch their plan to sieze the greatest treasure on earth and the Ashenazis the cover to step the ethnic cleansing of Palestine and South Lebanon for their final solution to be within reach.

Many of these false flag operations seem implausible until you understand the agenda behind them. The history of zionism is strewn with implausible sounding false flags.

People still struggle to accept most of them.

 
At 10:43 AM, Blogger sonia said...

CringingInAmazement,

Why is it illogical? It gave the Bush administration the political capital to launch their plan to sieze the greatest treasure on earth and the Ashenazis the cover to step the ethnic cleansing of Palestine and South Lebanon.

YOU are illogical. Bush father could have easily invaded Iraq in 1991. He didn't need any 9/11. Bush son could have done it without 9/11 too.

America didn't gain any political capital from 9/11. On the contrary. It was a huge humiliation for the USA, exposing their incompetence and weakness.

9/11 was proof that CIA is a worthless organization run by complete idiots. As a loyal CIA agent, you are trying desperately to salvage its reputation, but it is not working.

Osama Bin Laden could run circles around your sorry asses. You never had Osama under your control. He made fools out of you. Quit trying to ruin Osama's reputation among his followers by claiming that he was manipulated by you into carrying out 9/11 attacks. Nobody believes you.

But everybody believes that CIA is weak and incompetent. And you're the ultimate proof of it.

And next time, find a less obvious pseudonym...

 
At 4:36 PM, Blogger cringinginamazement said...

Sonia, in 1991 the object of the execise i.e. keeping Iraqi crude from the market, was acheivable with Saddam still in place.

Poppy Bush is a big oil man. Big oil and the neocons have competing and opposing interests. At heart the neocons are driven by antisemitism and thus are antiSaudi to the point of obsession. They will spend any amount of nonAshkenazi dollars and blood to achieve that.

Big oil, on the other hand, realizes that OPEC is America's (and their) only insurance against complete economic ruin.

Big Oil wanted regime change but the long term policy of keeping Iraqi oil in the ground, to remain. The neocons wanted Iraq smashed, as many arabs as possible killed, and Iraqi oil to flow, thereby wiping out OPEC and killing off the House of Saud's hold on the global economy.

Your good v evil view of the world is the stuff of comic books and US TV news.

 
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