Tuesday, October 30, 2012

Ocean-side Living

"High water risin-risin night and day...it's bad out there. High water everywhere. .. and admit that the waters around you have grown." BD You know that seaside summer cottage you always wanted? Where you could hear the waves roll in and smell the salt air? You might be better off up on the cliff somewhere. There is a new normal and it does not favor low lying areas. This is how we roll. Since man-assisted global climate change cannot be mentioned it need not be acknowledged as real. And if it isn't real, we needn't change our behavior. Which works out great really. When they say there is 30 billion in damage they really mean we can add 30 billion to the GDP. This is creative destruction and stimulus in one wet package. Sort of like when they talk about the "cost" of war they should be talking about the multiplier effect. Milo Minderbinder for President! Some get the fire and smoke. Some get the drought. Some get the flood. Some get the big bonus at the end of the year, like the guy from the Coal Council who was on the radio today, arguing that "we" should be investing in research to come up with "new technology" to make burning coal safe, but in the meantime it is a necessary part of the "energy mix". Since we want to keep all the nice things we've got. High water everywhere.

9 Comments:

At 1:23 PM, Blogger Ducky's here said...

For a storm to come that far up the coast this late in the year is exceptionally improbable.
For it to be that size, well the lottery has better odds.

Now, the fringe right will pass this off as a simple anomaly and go about their pimping for Exxon but how many anomalies have we had.

I've been in the path of a hurricane two years in a row. Just an anomaly?

Eastern Mass. has dodged a bullet both times but our time will be soon enough.

And when Wall Street becomes untenable who pays to move it all? Gotta deal with that before we give the folks in Brooklyn FEMA trailers.

Tell you trout, NYC is screwed. You won't be hearing from Beak for a while. His power is down for the duration.
Luckily only the poor folks got flooded out in Atlantic City. The casinos are okay so Trump doesn't have to worry. They'll have the slots up and running in no time after they do the old fakeroo for some Federal money.

Well, climate change is supposed to effect the poor much more than others. What do you think, Federal bailout money to move Wall Street or money to try to develop flood barriers? Watch how loud they yell if there isn't enough money to get the rail network up in a time frame they consider acceptable. Oh my won't the invisible hand be emptying the tip jar for that one.

Tell you trout, that was one freaking monster. They have rivers cresting over flood level in Cleveland.

 
At 2:11 PM, Blogger Ducky's here said...

WASHINGTON -- Rep. Steve King (R-Iowa) said on Tuesday that federal aid for people impacted by Hurricane Sandy should be approved only with a specific spending plan in place so funds are not used for "Gucci bags and massage parlors," like after Hurricane Katrina.

"I want to get them the resources that are necessary to lift them out of this water and the sand and the ashes and the death that's over there in the East Coast and especially in the Northeast," King said during a Tuesday evening debate in Mason City, Iowa.

"But not one big shot to just open up the checkbook, because they spent it on Gucci bags and massage parlors and everything you can think of in addition to what was necessary," he said later, referring to Hurricane Katrina.

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Glad someone's keeping a tight grip on the public purse.

 
At 11:06 AM, Blogger troutsky said...

You know what those welfare queens spend it on, right? White anger isn't going away.

As for climate and the storm, everyone is trying so hard to show the empirical aspect, that only a small percentage of the ocean temp is due to AGW, that all of this happens within a range of variability, etc.. but for too many people, knowledge just has no place in their thought process. And nuance is totally out of range.

Course you don't see James Inhofe out there on the stump for Romney, cracking jokes about rising oceans.

 
At 8:41 AM, Anonymous Lichanos said...

Ducky says:
For a storm to come that far up the coast this late in the year is exceptionally improbable. For it to be that size, well the lottery has better odds.

Now, the fringe right will pass this off as a simple anomaly and go about their pimping for Exxon but how many anomalies have we had.


Love your film tips, Ducky, but you really have to pay more attention to the science of these things. Fact is, if our economy had been running 100% on solar for the last fifty years, this still would have happened. You build by the water, you get flooded if you don't take precautions. And building on beaches..? Well, the New Testament said it well:

And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand.

 
At 4:28 AM, Blogger Ducky's here said...

Fact is, if our economy had been running 100% on solar for the last fifty years, this still would have happened.

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Have models been able to account for the various extremes that have been seen in America, Europe, Russia in the last few years?
I haven;t seen any reports.

One unusual storm (and it was unprecedented for a storm that large to move that far north in late October) doesn't establish a trend but this was not an event in isolation.

 
At 6:07 AM, Blogger troutsky said...

The science says you will get flooded every so often, Lichanos, it is a world of probabilities.
That is why they are classified as 50,100 0r 500 year events. It why we can talk about climate and weather patterns at all.

Thye science says we are messing with the range of variability and the models are really quite sophisticated.

 
At 6:07 AM, Blogger troutsky said...

The science says you will get flooded every so often, Lichanos, it is a world of probabilities.
That is why they are classified as 50,100 0r 500 year events. It why we can talk about climate and weather patterns at all.

Thye science says we are messing with the range of variability and the models are really quite sophisticated.

 
At 9:29 AM, Blogger Ducky's here said...

And the importance is not simply that the event occurred. It isn't even that this is two years in a row that the upper east coast has experienced a hurricane. That isn't sufficient data.

But severe weather anomalies have been appearing all over.
Isn't it time to change the debate. Time we accepted the existence of the proble?

 
At 5:23 PM, Blogger Lichanos said...

Sorry guys, but I can't accept your logic.

Extreme weather anomalies are to be expected. That's called really bad weather. We get destructive storms every year. The litany of weather extremes, Russia, USA, etc. turn out to be not so out of the normal range of really bad weather that we see over the decades. You can't rely on the headlines in the papers - you have to read what the reports actually say. It's tedious, and sometimes difficult, but the message is almost always quite different than the headlines. And often there are significant assumptions made, which are controversial, and which are not reported. Then there are the plain old gaffes, such as calling the Indian glaciologist who disagreed with the IPCC a purveyor of 'voodoo science.'

It's a heavy burden of proof to show that weather is getting more extreme and that CO2 is the reason...I just think the case for it is really weak.

 

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