Wednesday, September 12, 2007

Another Anniversary

These days (such as 9/11) which are endowed with historical meaning are laboratories in which the "normative" is developed, pushed and pulled by our collective understanding and those forces which hope to influence the final shape. This process of design is certainly in evidence on 9/11 and a short cruise through the blogoshere and other media outlets is a reminder of the dynamic nature of this struggle over myth and memory. On the Rabid Right (Gates of Vienna, Green Footballs, Atlas Shrugged etc..) a militant and zenophobic patriotism is on full display. Emotionally charged, religiously inspired, the battle cry is sounded with renewed fervor and I understand the Bush administrations first name for the invasion of Iraq, Operation Something (freedom?) Crusade. Vengeance is a powerful emotion, one harnessed throughout history with often terrifying results. On the Left we are reminded how events have been used historically to push for expanded empire, how emotion must be tempered and that we should look beyond the ideological and examine the economic for answers. In the middle we get everything from Cindy Sheehan to George Will, trying desperately to attach their particle of meaning to the overall meme.

Ira Glass did a good thing on his radioshow, This American Life. He produced a story about the phobic anti-Islamism of a returned soldier and his extradorniary and courageous effort to overcome what he knew to be irrational. Listening to this personal story reminded me that there is hope despite the Dog and Pony shows, punditry, and assorted zealots. But we can't underestimate the opposition to truth and reason. Take for example this veiled assault by crafty spinmeister Pat Buchanan, "explaining" Liberal's reluctance to force the issue of troop withdrawal: "Scourged for twenty years over 'Who Lost China' ,they don't want to spend the next twenty years answering 'Who Lost the Middle East'." Do any serious historians contend Roosevelt gave away the East at Yalta? Of course not. But the corporate spin machine and rightwing think tanks, foundations and the politicians and pundits (including Buchanan) they employed surely tried their best to make this myth the dominant narrative. Buchanan omits that part of his "explanation". He extends this straw man with the further twisting of fact: "Come then Vietnam and the credible charge that the Liberal Establishment, the Best and the Brightest , had marched us in then cut and run, abandoning our Vietnamese and Cambodian allies to a holocaust and bringing on the worst strategic defeat in US history." To deconstruct this would take awhile but suffice to say Buchanan knows full well it is a pack of lies yet he plays his important propagandist role. And enough of the poorly informed and easily manipulated "citizenry" of this country believes this myth to cause current politicians to fear for their jobs if they "abandon the troops" or "cause another defeat".

And of course every politician starts his speech, either pro war or con, with this important message: "We all understand that the US has vital interests in the region.."

10 Comments:

At 10:18 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Could you please do another post on Brittany Spears; I thought you just hitting your stride with the last one.

 
At 12:35 PM, Blogger Yodood said...

the most "vital interest" the US has in Iraq is profiting from its detraction from the scuttling of the national coffers at $90B at a pop. Every little rip off this administration gets caught in exposes a more thoroughly rotten core which, unless we impeach the lying traitors and restructure the system that allows such shit to thrive – next election can wait – they will skate and the decline of national faith will make bank runs look like rock concerts.

 
At 10:27 PM, Blogger troutsky said...

Thanks anon, Kulturecritique is, like, totally where it's at.Dude.

how was that?

I heard the Texas Tea was at 80 bucks, did it make 90? Chavez can pay off the US debt!

 
At 2:57 PM, Blogger sonia said...

Do any serious historians contend Roosevelt gave away the East at Yalta?

It would simpler to ask 'Do any serious, non-Stalinist historians still contend that Roosevelt didn't gave away the East at Yalta?

Even Ren only defends Lenin and Trotsky, never Stalin. You are the only one I ever seen actually defending Stalin.

abandoning our Vietnamese and Cambodian allies to a holocaust and bringing on the worst strategic defeat in US history." To deconstruct this would take awhile

No need to 'deconstruct' anything. The Cambodian genocide and the Vietnamese boat people's tragedy occured immediately following the American withdrawal from Indochina.

USA is therefore DIRECTLY responsible for those genocides. Every US lawmaker who voted in 1974-1975 to cut off the aid to embattled South Vietnamese and Cambodian governments, has blood on his hands...

 
At 7:15 AM, Blogger troutsky said...

Sonia is the PERFECT example.There are dozens of books that deal with the Yalta Conference (Im not going to cite them, take your own survey) but I am unaware of any written by Stalinists. All of them acknowledge that Roosevelt wanted the Soviets to join the UN, that Roosevelt needed Soviet help in the Pacific Theatre and that he was in no position to open another front against the Soviets (who had overwhelming force superiority in Eastern Europe as well as popular support.Draw your own conclusions about the "deal" that was made.

Same with Vietnam. Is Sonia suggesting the US should have joined the anti-insurgency against Pol Pot,an expanded ground war in support of the Cambodian government? Then say so.But to falsify the facts ("Camodian genocide occured immediately following US withdrawal") to promote your ideological position is intellectually dishonest and furthers the breakdown of our civil society. Which may be her goal, it is for a lot of Mc Carthyite nuts.It would not be a problem except for the fact that the foundations where she gets these distortions are aligned with the corporate structure whose power controls our media, government and military and who have a vested (MONEY) interest in the public "forgetting" about their past imperialist forays.

 
At 9:24 AM, Blogger sonia said...

Troutsky,

But to falsify the facts ("Camodian genocide occured immediately following US withdrawal")

'Falsify the facts' ?????

the foundations where she gets these distortions are aligned with the corporate structure whose power controls our media, government and military

What distortions ?

Historical fact: following US withdrawal, the Khmer Rouge came to power in Cambodia and exterminated 2 million people.

My opinion: US government shares the blame for that genocide.

What's your opinion ? You don't agree ?

 
At 12:42 PM, Blogger beakerkin said...

Sonia

Communists deserve the blame for Pol Pot. Moreover Noam Chomsky called eyewitnesses to the genocide liars based upon writings in a communist newspaper in Australia whose reporters never set foot in Cambodia.

Troutsky

As a Communist your understanding of markets and comodities is limited. Oil is a cyclical comodity that fluctuates in price. Moreover at key price points alternatives to oil become practical.

You may be living in an alternative reality where price increases on cyclical comodidities
are linear. Ultimately human capital and diversified economies do better in the long run that ones based upon natural resources.
Ultimately South Korea has a better likely future than Venezuela or Iran.

You may delude yourself that Hugo will be the Commie that gets it right. However, we have heard this refrain before in Cuba and elsewhere.

On your next illegal trip to Cuba check into GITMO for a decent meal.
How long are you clowns going to blame Batista and boycotts.

Sonia

Did you expect Troutsky to come to grips with the mayhem Communism has caused. He will not knowingly lie like Ren, but he is a true believer. We are dealing with facts, logic and history and Troutsky is off into another realm of faith well beyond facts and logic.

 
At 7:43 PM, Blogger troutsky said...

OK, I brought this on myself, so lets try this. The normative acceptance of a historical narrative is conditioned on interpretation,perspective and power to at least some degree, can we at least agree on that? If I read various accounts wherein the mass deaths associated with PolPots activities began as early as 1970 and continued at least till 1978 and these accounts correspond to what I was reading at the time (I was born in 53) then I deduce the killing was not directly correlated to US presence or withdrawal. If, on the other hand, you read accounts that show the killing beginning only as US troops withdrew then we have a stalemate. Can we agree that it was our former enemy, the Vietnamese, that finally drove him from power despite indirect support to the remains of the PolPot regime from both China and the US on anti-Soviet and anti-Vietnamese grounds? Probably not.

What is annoying is your (mostly Beaks) obsessive infatuation with Stalin and your conflating all things Stalinist with communism.It is adolescent at best and intellectually impoverished and it is compounded by your lack of understanding of any distinction between socialism and communism.

As to oil markets, I have in every instance criticized Venezuela and all other oil producing countries (especially Libya, Sudan, Nigeria)that do not diversify their economies.That doesnt have to mean finance or exploiting manufacturing workers.

By the way sonia, I have been remiss in not linking to your site. In the spirit of reciprication Ill remedy that soon. My only excuse is laziness.

 
At 9:46 PM, Blogger beakerkin said...

Troutsky

You are ever the simpleton to point the finger at Stalin. How pervasive are the human rights debacles that precede Stalin and span the communist experience.

Like religious zealots you blame the implementers for human waeknesses, but the notion that the system just doesn't work eludes your grasp. You do not lie for better or worse ad have human qualities that are entirely absent in the souless Ren.

As far as Cambodia you seem to deny the complicity and convivance of American radicals. When eyewinesses stepped forward and described the brutality Chomsky called them liars. This is similar to Ren's antics and treatment of Junglemom who lived in Venezuela.

The Vietnamese created their own attrocities and repression that exist to the current day. Just more of the same brutality that defines the Communist experience.

Maybe you should interview people who lived under it as I do every day. The stories are identical no matter where they are from. It is the apex of arrogance to claim you know more about a system than the people who live under it. Of course you can take the Communist version of the Thereisenstadt tours and willingly remain clueless.

The blame for the massacre belongs squarely on Communists, including their American apologists who delayed aid.

How does Chavez build a diversified economy when his despotic policies have created a Conga line of his nations best and brightest emigrating. The store shelves are allready empty and entirely predictable disater is on the way.

 
At 5:06 AM, Blogger sonia said...

Beak,

How does Chavez build a diversified economy when his despotic policies have created a Conga line of his nations best and brightest emigrating.

Troutsky has just wrote that he has criticized Venezuela on that point.

Troutsky,

If I read various accounts wherein the mass deaths associated with PolPots activities began as early as 1970 and continued at least till 1978 and these accounts correspond to what I was reading at the time (I was born in 53) then I deduce the killing was not directly correlated to US presence or withdrawal.

Correct reading. Wrong duduction.

What's done cannot be undone. US imperialism cannot be undone now. It already produced irreversible consequences. Simply withdrawing often makes things far, far worse (at least in the short term). That applies to Cambodia as well as Iraq...

 

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