Coincidence, Or Not?
As if on que (see last post) , I open todays Missoulian and find the headline "Arabs Joining Rebels in Darfur" and a story by Associated Press Writer Alfred de Montesquiou ( I have name envy!)which tries to explain some contradictions and contingincies. While he speaks of the "complexity of the ethnic bloodshed" he is condemned to the use of largely ethnic labels, using one fighters lighter complexion to create a distinction the general public might begin to understand.
In contrast to this, Mahmood Mamdani speaks of a process of "Arabisation" where "Arab is a pejorative reference to the lifestyle of the nomad as uncouth;regionally it referred to someone whose primary language is Arabic. Remember , they are both very dark and Muslim. In this sense ,a group could become "Arab" over time, in other words, it is a cultural identification. Either way, Sudan has oil, China wants oil, things are far beyond grim, like so many places cursed with Black Gold.
Went to two peace rallys in as many days and was surprised to hear speeches by a 9/11 conspiricy believer on both occasions. Spent part of the afternoon attempting to analyze this convoluted movement with my comrade CheBob but find it a labyrinth both frustrating and perplexing. Help us out here, you commenters with some insight, wtf? I gave my standard Stop The Next War anti-capitalist harangue but felt as if all politics had been sucked out of the atmosphere by the Vast Illuminati-Cover Up-Gatekeepers-False Flag OperationDude.
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posted by troutsky @ 7:53 PM
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I think the 9/11 conspiracy people are ridiculous. The system we live under is not efficient. It didn't work that day.
See: David Corn on 9/11 Conspiracies.
Yesterday in Minneapolis 5,000 people marched vs the war in Iraq. Overall a real step forward here.
Right on Ren, I guess it is all about maintaining pressure and slowly dissolving the elite consensus. Just a tragedy many more will have to suffer and die in the meantime.
It occurs to me also that the "9/11 truth" thing would be no big deal except once again, in typical fashion, it tends to split the Left and render us less effective.And the true believers just can't see that aspect.
I think that the biggest problem is confusing the two points, 9/11 AND Iraq. Whatever theories one has on what happened on 9/11 have very little to do with stopping the war NOW, and serve no purpose AT a Anti-War Rally.
On the other hand conspiracy theories and those that believe in them do serve a function, they question the official government story, which is or duty and right in a democracy. When one lives under a secretive government it is also a way for people to explain the UN-knowable, not unlike faith or religion after natural disasters. To some these beliefs become an obsession, but they can also serve to bring together opinion from different sectors of the public, instead of just "divide the Left".
For example, some of the more conservative "militia types" here in Idaho are just as distrusting of the "official story" of 9/11 as some on the liberal left, and on that point we can find common ground against the reasons we are in Iraq and continue to be there.
If the reason a NRA member shows up for an anti-war rally, is because of a conspiracy theory he believes in, then we should embrace him as a brother against the war, and not be too put off by his belief that we don't agree with.
JUST AN ADDED SIDE NOTE: It is my opinion that there are far too many on the Left that trust in government too much, maybe not this administration, but the supposed function of "protecting the people", this is where I tend to agree more with the "militia-types", the government can't protect the people from the government, only the people can directly.
I good friend of mine sent me an email full of this 9/11 conspiracy crap. It really shows what people think of our "democracy" when so many believe that our own government would kill thousands of its citizens.
A man closer to the center of events than I, Franklin Delano Roosevelt, once said, "In politics, nothing happens by accident. If it happens, you can bet it was planned that way."
In politics, nothing happens by accident. If it happens, you can bet it was planned that way
That's a given. But the question isn't whether 9/11 was or wasn't planned. Of course it was planned. But the question is 'by whom'...
What I find ridiculous about conspiracy theories are not the conspiracies themselves. It's that they are ALWAYS supposedly planned in Washington, and never in Moscow, Beijing, Tehran or Caracas...
I went to the David Corn piece, thanks for the link. George Monbiot has a similar take over at Znet but what it points out to me is that perhaps I am just to lazy to investigate all this detail. It stems from me having a pre-concieved theoretical framework that i have lived with for so long I reject "secret cabal" stuff out of hand.Corn did the hard research work and de-bunked one aspect, but where can one trust ones instincts and where must one stay totally opened minded? Do I need to look into Holocaust denial?
And detail is the operative word here, the little research Che Bob and i did just kept leading deeper and deeper into this labyrinth i mentioned.This "prove Im wrong" type logic is "religious" in the sense Apriloper uses. Like "faith" ,all these contradictory yet intersecting threads of Jewish bankers,the Federal Reserve, the Rothchilds,Lee Harvey Oswald and the Free Masons only become a tapestry if you have a pre-concieved belief thaat allows you to fill in the blanks, so to speak.
My concern, Aprilloper, is that a "popular front" built with these people leads to a real antogonism ideologically and philosophically but also can be a train wreck in terms of public relations and movement building.I agree with the foreigner about winning the political argument in the here and now and this stuff is anti-politics.
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