Heighten The Contradictions?
If no change is possible until crisis forces it, should we encourage crisis? Could we actively work to heighten contradictions beyond even their current insane level? Embrace the Spectacle and campaign for Sarah? This is one line of inquiry I've heard lately, cynically pragmatic in a Maoist sort of way.
A more liberal approach, but also practical, is to sit down with working class conservatives on their turf and find out what makes them tick, to re-read Fountainhead and see what it is Yodood and millions of others (current bestseller) find of value. Find common ground, as Obama and Henry Louis Gates and the white cop did over some beers. ( George Bush was the guy you would like to have a beer with as well ). I have been seeing this sort of suggestion lately as an antidote to the "elitist, intellectual condescending" approach of the Left.
Questions abound: When is the next crisis? Reform or Revolution? What is to be Done? Right and Left agree the individual is being devalued, disenfranchised,and taken advantage of. Local conservatives aren't standing around, they want legislation that allows citizens to convene grand juries and are starting the ballot initiative process. They believe that through legal, constitutional process they can reclaim political power.Would the Left see value in this?
The Left I associate with wants to organize workers and gain economic power ( some want to change the world without taking power) and generally finds the whole constitutional route discouraging. Of course, Venezuelans re-wrote their constitution... and used elections and courts and such.
By avoiding extreme crisis fewer people get hurt but we all know millions die of starvation each year ( as hurt as it gets) and billions live in poverty (already extreme crisis) and lets face it , the working class will not be organized soon. But would Sarah Palin and her Tea Party actually ignore the Tim Geithners, the Larry Summers, the Ben Bernankes and let the "invisible hand" do it's thing while she went moose hunting?
I guess I'd better put down The Dialectics of Enlightenment and get a copy of Going Rogue and Atlas Shrugged and find out.Can I keep my beret?
posted by troutsky @ 6:24 AM
21 comments
21 Comments:
Fountainhead and Going Rogue are at opposite ends of too many spectra to count or account for how your categories are supposed to make sense. I guess I'd have to spend my life reading your bookshelf to begin to understand you... Ah, well. Not gonna do that.
Troutsky
If you want to learn about working people and their lives ditch your Marxist dogma and head to a truck stop. The way to learn about life is not through idiotic philosophy books it is through listening to people.
When I sit and listen to the taxi driver or a doctor I get a snap shot of their lives. I do not presume that a magic bullet exists.
Most people want government out of their lives and decent jobs. The key is balanced power and individual rights.
Marxist treat people like a farmer treats livestock. Sorry, but Ren and Che Bob are typical of the arrogance of Marxists. They posses no wisdom, let alone a divine truth, that entitles them to decide
the fates of working people.
Even Kultur who is amoral falls for the myth of corrupted man not knowing what is best for himself.
This is the pitfall of fake intellectual. People are capable of deciding their own fate without
a self deluded class of power mad death cultists or head in their backside PHD's passing judgement from MT. Olympus.
People who believe crisis or plentifulness, cause change in consciousness, are both wrong. If it only took poverty to make revolution, India would have a revolution daily.
I have a chart showing 90 years of a capitalist cycle, and by it world events. It shows small declines and adjustments, don't matter. The important parts are when big transitions occur.
Again the Great depression was in 1929. From 1929 to 1934 there was a sharp decline in Communist Party membership. The militantcy came about 1934 qnd 1935, with the Flint, San Francisco, Minneapolis strikes.
Once again we have incorrect history cited by a death cultist. Of course the death cult does better in times of crisis like the great depression.All types of evil movements such as Communism's twins Nazism and Fascism made populist appeals to the unemployed. This is what death cults do. Any comparison of Il Duce to communists is an insult to a tyrant that showed some degree of organizational skill.
Ren's messiah Hugo says he doesn't
like GDP so he is tossing out numbers that show what a mess he has made. He also thinks Carlos the Jackal was a decent guy.
The question remains how many of Chavez's apologists are on the payroll or have met with intelligence officers
Even Kultur who is amoral falls for the myth of corrupted man not knowing what is best for himself.
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See that's the deal, Beak. Everyone knows what itch they want scratched. So what?
Is that your final image of the humanity, a dog getting satisfaction from licking its ass?
Man, knows what he wants but man does not necessarily, and more often than not doesn't, know what is best for him.
I say that "best" involves a sustainable economy, a reasonable distribution of wealth, self expression ... but all you offer is this moronic idea that "the free market" (LMFAO) is able to correctly price everything.
Sorry dimbulb but the "free market" (LMFAO) can certainly measure our demand and our appetites but it isn't so good at measuring the true cost in environmental damage, alienation et. al. so you really have to start looking beyond the "free market" (LMFAO) for solutions.
Balanced power? You may have something there but monopoly capitalism ain't interested in that sort of thing. Pitch till you win, Beak.
Duncy
It is the height of Marxist arrogance
to think that the elite need to think for the common man. The common man thinks quite well for himself and wherever possible he rejects Marx.
You seem to think that your pathology is still relevant. It has failed in the market place of ideas. No doubt we have had a downturn in the business cycle. This is part of Capitalism and we will recover in time.
On the other hand it has been proven that Marxism only adds human
misery. No doubt the BS that Chavez is spouting about GDP is just more failure.
History has pronounced its verdict even if you are deaf. Moreover given the levels of crimes against
humanity produced by Marx all opinions and scholarship by Marxist are worthless.
Sorry, but a Communist like Ren should start off with a preface "As a blight on the human condition
and an advocate of a criminal pathology....."
Here's the crazy thing Yodood, the new "Libertarian" book store in town has stacks of Ayn Rand and Going Rogue. They sit next to The fourth Turning by Strauss, 5000 Year Leap by Skousen (check him out) Alas, Babylon by Pat Frank, What is Seen by Frederic Bastiat and more stacks of Glen Becks books. Selling like hot cakes. Oh, and I love this one, Education of a Wandering Man by Louis L'Amour.
Beak: You think you own the "working people" franchise? I've sat around more truck stops than you, Jack Kerouac, and Merle Haggard put together. Idon't have to apologize for reading William Burroughs or wave my high school diploma around to prove my class cred.Small government, balanced power and individual rights are all worthy liberal goals on the way to what is really needed. But your policies will never achieve them as Rudy and Bush and Obama and Clinton ad nauseum have all proven.
Ren, The only workers who feel entitled to real earnings these days are the professional /managerial class or what Albert calls "coordinators". I suppose the money changers are workers as well but their sense of entitlement is at a whole different level.
Ducky, Beak rationalizes alcoholics and suicides. "They know what they want", misery and death. After watching TV tonight I want a new Mazda , whiter teeth and a four hour erection.( but no longer!)
"and a four hour erection.( but no longer!)"
Trout,
If it doesn't get any longer, it doesn't matter how long it lasts;D
So, you take your categories from the Libertarians these days, no wonder I can't keep track of you!
Troutsky
Lets start this off slowly as a Communist you are devoid of independent thought and higher reasoning. In fact as a Communist you are a lower form of life and unqualified to pass verdict on the needs of anyone let alone decent working people.
Unlike you I am not beholden to an idea that has produced class genocide, planned starvation and wholesale criminality. Funny you should mention alcohol as cheap low quality alcohol is the one commodity commies produce in abundance. It is far easier for death cultist to exploit drunk or starving people. As for suicide people do not risk their lives to get out of the United States.They do risk their lives to escape every
so called failed workers state.
What credentials do you have to tell free people what their needs are? Sorry, but your fundamentalist
fealty to a pseudoreligious death cult renders you no special insight.
Your comments reveal the true arrogance of marxists towards people who have rejected their message again and again. All the talk of class is merely a deception to seek power for its own sake. Communism is just as evil as Nazism.
Beak-ini Brains--
"Unlike you I am not beholden to an idea that has produced class genocide, planned starvation and wholesale criminality."
Are yu fukin kiddin me??
Our capitalist democracy, the hegemony for all ages, has produced more class genocide (American Indians), planned starvation (in numerous third-world countries buying up forest and agricultural land, and destroying local food supplies, and other acts of wholesale criminality, including invading Iraq, Stealing land from the native Americans, rtc.
Come on Beakini Brain... stop speaking like the man with the paper asshole. But then again, your brain is not big enough to do anything else...comwad!!
Ah it is Boy George of Kultur Club leader of the amoral.
1) The conflicts between different groups such as American Indians, Aborigines and colonists are not class genocide. They are an unfortunate by product of something within human nature. Many Indian tribes themselves were imperialistic. The fact remains that when Indians or Aboriginies acquired guns they killed Indians or rivals not colonists.
Your fairy tale views about planned starvation and destruction
of nature produced by Capatalism
are the product of Mazzola commercials. Preindustrial man hunted and killed many species to extinction including the Moa.
Any honest look at Communism's records in the area of the environment and workers safety shows its inferiority.
If you want to be technical the advances in the human condition are more attributable to Christianity than anything else.
You can sit there in your amoral
fog tip toeing through the tulips
with a Mickey Marxist dementia but I will stick with history.
I am glad you mentioned Iraq. Ren's
boy Saddam is a perfect illustration of Marx in action. He was a creature of the BAATH party more commonly known as the "Arab Socialist Party". This malady actually has its roots in Fwench
Socialism much like another good commie hero Pol Pot. Saddam as a good Marxist killed hundreds of thousands of his own people armed with Soviet Weapons and advisers with some limited Fwench airplanes
and nuclear reactors.
Speaking of Indians, genocide of Indians occurred in the 80's. Ren's
favorite pedophile Daniel Ortega butchered Miskito Indians who in fact formed the southern Contras.
Even Mental Ward Churchill and Russel means took up arms. Ren also
is a mouth piece for Chavez who has herded Indians onto collectives. He also made sure all the missionaries who were educating
and providing health care for the same Indians were kicked out of the country.
Where was Ren or Chebob when the Sandinazis with Pseudostinian Advisers were massacring Indians?
Where was Ed Assner or Gnome Chimpanzee? Perhaps Gnome was busy reading Communist National Inquirer
stories such as the ones he cited
when calling eye witnesses to the Killing Fields liars.
Once again we have shown that your degree is more akin to those on a rectal thermometer than the product
of any serious scholarship. Were it
not for the creation of Bolshevik
gulags in higher ed you would be wearing a dunce cap for your ignorance.
Stick with Mazzola commercials and bandying philosophy with developmentally disabled death cultists. You are marginally more
interesting than the members of the KKKult of Trotsky. As a capitalist I plan to exploit them
by peddling golden ice pick necklaces and Mexican martyrdom paintings.
Comwad is the term I direct at Che
Bob or Troutsky. Capitalists do not bother with such infantile greetings.Kindly try to display some original thought. However, as a second rate academic hack your ability to produce original thought
is dubious.
Beakini Brains
I never said other political regimes were to be held harmless in the discussion of genocide, starvation, crimes against humanity, etc., I just think it important that for once you recognize that capitalist democracies (if that is what you say we are) are not immune from such behaviors, but display it as well as other regimes.
Anyone else here wonder if trousky has really hit more truck stops than Merle Haggard?
Yoddo, I really don't see myself "taking my categories" from anyone. Simply demonstrating how Fountainhead and Going Rogue are not "opposite ends of..spectra" but in fact closely related.
Ducky, I actually spent almost seven years with no permanent address in my wayward youth. Lot of road miles via thumb,bus, rideboards.
Dave-
I think that you give Ayn Rand far too much credit. The masterminds behind modern neo-conservatism/liberalism (I enjoy how the "neo" suffix has erased the boundaries between conservatism and liberalism) may be Randians, but their followers sure as hell aren't.
Troutsky,
According to your own logic, you and libertarians are at the same end of some warped political spectrum if you both think Sarah Palin is anything like Ayn Rand.
There is no such thing as class genocide. It is a term made up by Beakerkin. There is only legal definitions of genocide. It is a relatively new term. Genocide is about a race, nation or ethnic group, not a class.
Most revolution is relatively bloodless.
Beak trivializes the word genocide.
Kultur
Back to the Kultur Club with Boy George.
You are more interesting than the death cultists like Ren who practice a Marxist version of the Islamic concept of deception to spread the death cult. In Ren's fairy tale world there is no such thing as class Genocide. The residents of China, Cambodia, the Soviet Union and other so called workers paradise are familiar with the deaths caused by Marx.
Once again your amoral relativism
is on full display. As a second rate academic hack in a Marxist gulag your critical faculties have been eroded. No doubt being surrounded by developmentally disabled death cultist lemmings is a serious vocational hazard that should be reported to OSHA.
Capatalist Democracies are an evolutionary outgrowth of Christian ethos. You lack the historical vision
The notion that indigenous people had any rights or that there is a societal obligation to the poor is a Christian Concept based upon Capitalism.
There is zero connection in scale or in any practical sense to the
crimes against humanity caused by Marxists. The amazing thing about
Marxists is that given their unparalleled criminal history they pronounce themselves as a moral elite who must guide the unwashed masses.
The arrogance and disdain for the real working people seeps through
the comments on this site.It remains a fact that people flee every creation of Marx. So Ren and company create walls and purposely starve the masses for their own good. Sorry, but all Marx has managed to do is create neoslavery with its faithful as plantation masters.
Your naive views of preindustrial man communing with nature have no basis in reality. In your case it remains, paradise never was.
As penance for your ignorance you should send a few cases of Mazzola
products to innocents starved by Marxist malfeasance in North Korea and Zimbabwe.
Beakini Brains - If you had a real brain you might be dangerous/ Fortunately, everyone recognizes that you really have nothing to say. You are just an amusing distraction for us, as we enjoy the Spectacle.
If you could actually read, I would recommend a few books. But otherwise enjoy your holiday with your other overly stuffed close ones.
Kultur
You have been bested by history, facts and logic. You have none of the above and this is the best you can do.
Facts, history and logic are the bane of long winded gasbag philosophers. You are more entertaining than Renegade buttocks.
As usual no answers.
Anyone else spooked by Dhubai essentially defaulting on their bonds?
Looks like the "invisible hand" is at it again.
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