Thursday, October 02, 2008

Owners of Everything

From Pablo Nerudas poem El Pueblo:



Yo creo que en el trono debe estar

este hombre, bien calzado y coronado



Creo que los que hicieron tantas cosas

deben ser duenos de las cosas

Y los que hacen el pan deben comer!



Y deben tener luz los de la mina!



I believe that heaven must encompass

this man, properly shod and crowned



I think that those who made so many things

ought to be owners of everything

That those who made bread ought to eat



That those in the mine should have light



Soon it seems the citizens of the US will be owners of shares in home mortgages. 700 billion worth. (worth?) Perhaps they will begin to desire a democracy so they can have a say in how their shares are managed. If this takes root they may demand "shares" in many more aspects of the productive economy, including nationalized banks , power companies, factories and distibution networks. They may see how they,the workers, have been played for fools by the ruling elite who always convinced them that only THEY should own and manage, THEY should do the investing, THEY would allow wealth to trickle down.



Some are seeing the crisis as an opportunity for a social democracy to assert itself, as a step on the path to socialism. I remain skeptical of this market approach. Nerudas poem comes from a collection titled Fully Empowered. In the introduction, Alastair Reid writes:
"The word pueblo invokes in Spanish much more than either a place or the people who inhabitit: it humanizes a place as a state of being,as a set of values and allegiances."

This begs the question as to whether Americans could consider themselves "el pueblo".This unity unravels so quickly when faced with core issues and only presents itself when we are attacked. 159,000 more jobs were lost in September. Can unity arise from shared misfortune?

20 Comments:

At 7:33 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Some are seeing the crisis as an opportunity for a social democracy to assert itself, as a step on the path to socialism."

I'm surprised that I've not seen any references to the early 20th Century Marxist economist Rudolf Hilferding in the discussions about the current financial crisis. OK, I'm not really surprised. But I do think Hilferding is very relevant. He argued that the emergence of monopoly finance capitalism could potentially be a step toward socialism, because (to oversimplify somewhat) it would be easier for a workers' revolution to seize control of concentrated finance capital than it would to expropriate a more diversified class of expropriators. And if monopoly finance capital is socialized, it wouldn't be necessary directly to socialize other aspects of capital (land, production facilities, etc.), because they could be indirectly subject to social control through control of finance.

Of course, Hilferding didn't think that would necessarily happen (and boy was he right about that!), only that the concentration of finance capital was a potential opening that Marx hadn't anticipated.

 
At 9:07 PM, Blogger Frank Partisan said...

State capitalism is close to what describes the bailout.

It's funny that both McCain and Obama, could agree to a measure, that would make sure, any major initiatives, will not be or be difficult to fund.

I'm tired of the rightist bloggers, who blame everything on mortgage borrowers. They have not one word about the greedy speculators, who were more than glad to sell off the debt on the mortgages, and make tons of $$$.

 
At 9:27 PM, Blogger Frank Partisan said...

We're going to hear from Beakerkin, politically correct bankers, giving mortgages to poor people caused this.

Be clear on this. When they say politically correct, it is code for racism. There is no denying it.

Beak said the bankers were liberal. The banks were riding high, selling debt.

Beak will be manning roadblocks on election day, keeping black people from getting to the polls.

 
At 6:10 AM, Blogger beakerkin said...

We are going to hear from the low IQ
Ren who often confuses my comments with those of Sonia. There is a difference between a hero and a mere
gassy sandwich.

There is a profound difference between a classic liberal and fellow travelers calling themselves liberals. Classic liberals are very
anticommunist and have always been so. In the good old days of Wilson you would have been tarred and feathered to the tune of stars and stripes or arrested for criminal syndicationalism. I would prefer the former as commies deserve humiliation rather than martyrdom.

The banking mess is more complicated than economic imbeciles
who slavishly follow the cult of property theft and class genocide
are capable of understanding. The good news is that with a bad economy the Bolsheviks at University gulags will find fewer students to indoctrinate. The communist clowns in the MSM will find fewer jobs and those that remain will pay close attention to
the bottom line.

Capitalism is resilient and advocates of regulation will correct this without class genocide. Let me know when you are ready to renounce your citizenship
and join the cocaine communist despot in Caracas.

Even in the depression one never had much difficulty finding food.
The shortages in Caracas took Marxist malfeasance.

 
At 6:32 AM, Blogger beakerkin said...

Eric

Can you provide Renegade Eye aka the Gassy Sandwich with a legally sufficient renunciation of his citizenship? This would be a genuine public service as communists are not happy in unstructured environments.
Communists need the structure provided by a prison or mental health facility. Ren can enjoy himself in Communist Disneyland also known as North Korea.

 
At 10:17 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Beakerkin,

Gey red tsu der vant

 
At 10:46 AM, Blogger beakerkin said...

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At 1:45 PM, Blogger beakerkin said...

Eric

Communists need structure and there are just so many jobs in the gulags of higher ed. Ren would be so much happier in North Korea you should help him DEFECT.

Attention all Communists

Here are the steps to renounce your
citizenship.

1 Acquire the citizenship of another country. Graemeful Dead
Marijuana Marxist has already done this.

2 Go abroad

3 Visit the nearest consulate and express your desire to surrender your citizenship. Highlight the fact you are a communist and repeat
until accepted.

4 Stay abroad.

 
At 9:31 PM, Blogger Frank Partisan said...

Beakerkin: Blaming the crisis on poor people getting mortgages, and calling it in coded to hide its racism political correctness, shows the bankruptcy and racism of your politics.

According to the analysis of your party leaders, as early as a few weeks ago, the economy was essentially sound.

Troutsky didn't do anything to deserve this trolling.

 
At 9:42 PM, Blogger Larry Gambone said...

Sorry to see that the sociopath is pestering your blog Troutsky. I see he is now into vigilante terrorism, gloating about the torture/murders of Wesley Everett and Frank Little. No doubt he would have approved of lynching Black people too. The simplest way to deal with this sicko degenerate is block him from commenting. I don't allow this sort of garbage on my blog.

 
At 8:09 AM, Blogger troutsky said...

If by attracting him to my blog I am saving others ,I selflesly accept this duty (and burden) sorry to my other commentors, please bear with me. How he could continue to confuse my approach with Bolshevism is a mystery to me.Falling back on the rhetoric of love it or leave displays his depth.

 
At 8:35 AM, Blogger Graeme said...

We have all explained that no one here supports Stalinist communism, but Beak isn't intelligent enough to figure that out. He isn't worth debating.

 
At 10:15 AM, Blogger Frank Partisan said...

Underneath all the bluster, you never know Beakerkin's positions.

He ignores Palin's links with antisemite Pat Buchanon, which are closer than Obama's to Bill Ayers. I know Beakerkin knows that's true. He's afraid of offending his friends. Beak is a liberal. Read his early comments on Mad Zionist's blog. I would say he is the face of liberalism.

Besides being liberal, he's racist. Beak claims to be a supporter of gay rights. No criticism of palin or her church. The only preachers Beak attacks are black. He gives passes to his friends.

 
At 11:30 AM, Blogger beakerkin said...

Larry

It is obvious as an anarchist you arean imbecile of superior ability. You obviously have me confused with someone else as I have not written a single word on the subjects you describe.

Your comments about my purported racism are not backed by fact. Your mindless antisemitism is obvious from any reading of your comedic blog. Are you trying to write comedy or are you naturally stupid.

Ren

Once again you are confusing me with Sonia. Let me remind you Sonia
is the one without clothes.

I did not blame the crisis on minority loans. I blamed it on changing accepted and time proven
methods of doing business based upon political pressure. Moreover,
last I checked business practices such as placing 20% down are non racial. You are confusing my comments with the naked one's.

Moreover, you can try to place a racial overtone into talk about derivatives. Derivatives remain a financial tool and unless you are as stupid as Gambone or drug impaired like Graeme they are non racial.

Unlike Commie sheeple I am an American with intellectual freedom to pursue my own opinions. I am not bound by the opinions of Bush, Obama or even that of a friend like Mr Beamish.

The dullard MZ pretty much told you
off in the same manner I did. As a Marxist clown you are unable to view anything outside of your narrow fundamentalist orthodoxy. I am starting to market ice pick assasination paintings so you can have your own religious icons.

Lastly one can judge a persons racism by the company they keep. Unlike you I am not linked to a site that is recognized by Stormfront. The worst that can be legitimately said is sometimes my commenters veer into homophobia.
Unlike you and similar to the idiot
Beatroot I make my own views in opposition well known.Thus when LWB/John Brown, MILF from Lebanon or Larry Gamboner venture off into Der Shturmer mode you could offer your own opinions.

Sorry there gassy sandwich but once
again you can not lay a glove on me.

I want to point out your lack of morals. I have had your identity for well over two years. It seems that you trusted the wrong person
and that person sold you out.

Unlike you there are certain things
I will not do. You lead a far more
interesting life than I do. Furthermore, a Rudy Republican is a very mainstream thing with no anti
American conotations unlike being a Trotskyite. Lets just say your tastes in entertainment are not conventional.

I didn't respond to your blatant
provocations. There is a difference
between a hero and a gassy sandwich.

 
At 11:21 PM, Blogger Frank Partisan said...

You can google and find "flaming personality disorder." Trolling is classified as a mental disorder.

I would use gibberish myself, if my views were as racist as yours. Whether you say social enginering or political correctness, it's the same coded talk. derivatives being complicated is not an analysis or even an opinion, it's just a description.

You are not bound to anyone's opinions. you are bound, if you attack someone personally and politically, to be honest and clear. Nobody can accuse you of honesty or clarity.

They say trolls should be ignored. They can only take you down to their level.

 
At 12:43 AM, Blogger beakerkin said...

Ren

Yes you are quite familiar with code
words such as neocon and zionist that
your kind freely substitute for Joooooooo. Sorry, but social engineering still refers to a type of government policy not race. Social engineering is part of group rights and totalitarian.

You are just too stupid to understand the basic premise. Funny
Craig Bardo would not seem to agree
with you either and would laugh about this one.

My politics have always been abundantly clear to my readers. Then again with your narrow Marxist
imbecile frame of reference you are
not capable of comprehending mainstream thought. My readers are well aware of my social liberalism
and my patriotism. There are many times you ask a question and I respond and Sonia has to remind you that you were answered.

Now remember Sonia is the naked person and she commented on race
directly. It appears you have confused her comments.

You trusted someone who sold you out. You were just fortunate that I
am not as unprincipled as you. You
should be very careful about invading the privacy of others, especially when your own life is sooo embarrassing.

A classier type would have apologized and thanked me for my discretion. However, based upon easily gleaned information we already know you are classless.

 
At 8:49 AM, Blogger troutsky said...

Beakerkin,

Doesn't any type of education contain elements of social engineering? We pass down and reproduce our social values, no?

What does "politically correct" mean? Who determines what is or isn't?

Neoconservative and Zionist may have overlap with Jooos but we strive to differentiate and respect nuance on this blog.But you can generalize if you wish.

Eric, thanks for the reference, I am unread on Hilferding.Knowing what this economy is IS critical to deconstructing it.State capitalism with caveats?

 
At 9:20 AM, Blogger Frank Partisan said...

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At 9:25 AM, Blogger Frank Partisan said...

The second area whereby God wants us, wants to penetrate in our society is in the economic area. The Bible says that the wealth of the wicked is stored up for the righteous. It's high time that we have top Christian businessmen, businesswomen, bankers, you know, who are men and women of integrity running the economics of our nations. That's what we are waiting for. That's part and parcel of transformation. If you look at the -- you know -- if you look at the Israelites, that's how they work. And that's how they are, even today.

That sermon was given by Sarah Palin's pastor. Not only did she not get up and leave. She joined him on the pulpit.

 
At 6:20 PM, Blogger beakerkin said...

Renegade Spleen

The comments are mild in comparison to the communist vitriol of Pastor Wright. Moreover, I don't see the man chanting God Damn America, passing BS AIDS conspiracies or praising Hamas.

The pastor at worst made a stupid comment. This does not even begin to compare with Pastor Wright's racist, communist antiamerican diatribes.

On to Troutsky

No Education should be done on merit and excellence. The only values that should be transmitted is hard word and those of our founding fathers. Group rights are a totalitarian Marxist construct as
opposed to Constitutional garantees
of individual liberty.

 

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