Property Is Theft?
Che Bob alerted me to a study guide being used by a local high school teacher around a film based on Hernando De Soto's Road to Prosperity; A Property Rights Revolution. As a capitalist polemic this is top rated. Sample question asked of young minds: ( fill in the blank)
"In the U.S.,the first great engine of_____ was property rights for the common man." If you answered exploitation you may be sent to an unidentified detention site. Here's another:
"History shows us that when ordinary people gain access to property rights and the rule of law, they begin the road to _________? " Hint: starts with a "p".
This one certainly invites discussion: "What is the connection between property rights and power?"
Building on the Roman concept of res nulius, meaning 'empty thing' (and therefore common property), the philosopher Grotius concluded "we can only have a proprietary right to things we can consume or transform".In other words take what is unused because "If usable things were left unused there was no property in them." John Locke, in his Second Treatise of Government chapt.5 devises a labour theory of property around the concept that the value of a thing is measured by the labour embedded in it and title is derived by creating value where there was none:
"The cultivation of soil...is an obligation imposed upon man by nature. Every nation is therefore bound by natural law to cultivate the land which has FALLEN to it's share...the establishment of various colonies upon the continent of North America might, if done within just limits, be entirely lawful."
Sir John Davies contributed to this convenient bit of "law" at whose altar Mr. De Soto worships.In less polite circles this process is known as expropriation or dispossession or perhaps primitive accumulation. Theft also works. Nothing just "falls to it's share" of course. Once Empire has a convenient labour theory of property it can justify all manner of eviction, taxation and enclosure and soon the map makers get to work and a piece of paper giving title is secured and Presto! you have Goldman Sachs... Is that the "connection between property rights and power Mr/ Mrs.Teacher?
You don't have to look much farther than high school classrooms to see how capitalist ideology reproduces itself. Although as Beak said in the last post, there are "choices".Question for the whole class: Name two.
Dedicated to Howard Zinn RIP. Go see Marx in Soho.
posted by troutsky @ 8:51 PM
32 comments
32 Comments:
Isn't he part of the crew that goes ballistic if a Central American government mentions "land reform"?
I think the land titling runs into trouble when some get just a little more than their share and start sharecropping.
Goes down in his pocket with a trembling hand --
Can't pay you all but I'll pay you what I can.
Then to the telephone the merchant makes a call,
They'll put you on the chain gang
If you don't pay it all.
It's hard times in the country,
Down on Penny's farm.
Property is sacred... er except when it belongs to Aboriginal people, peasants etc then it is steal what you can!
Back it up Death Cultist
It is your fetish for stealing what does not belong to you and running it into the ground that is just another legacy of your kind. The ruins of Cuba and every other country touched by Marx remains a fact.
Nationalization is just another word for theft. The record shows that workers suffer more when bug eyed death cultists run the place into the ground.
The historical record speaks for itself.
At a certain point you need to grasp that you are no longer in reality and have lapsed into theology. Marxism is not science and it belongs in the realm of a mental disorder given the reality of its applications.
Of course when the actual workers reject your faith than you talk about false consciousness.
Gambone
Yes like the aboriginal people massacred by Sandinazis or ordered
around by Hugo the crack addict.
Of course we can place Muslims in cattle cars to Siberia to Die.
Commies use indigenous people like cannon fodder when convenient and kill them when inconvenient.
I aint gonna work on Maggies farm either.
There was more nationalizations without compensation during the American Revolution, than any revolution in that time. Not only Tory property was expropriated. When England asked for compensation, it was rejected.
Marxists support the demand for land reform. What some don't realize, is that it's not a socialist demand. It's a pro capitalism demand, that elevates people out of feudal chains.
Beak: Napoleon expropriated feudal lords without compensation, to establish capitalism. Would you have opposed that?
RIP HOWARD ZINN
take a look at this compressed story of America's Imperialism by Howard.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f3TAO_d27Es
best kultur
Yeah Beak, Havana is in decay. Not as bad as Detroit or Lansing or East Cleveland and I can drive through the Blackstone Valley or towns like Orange and see once strong downtowns reduced to nothing but decaying buildings, the thrift shop and a Wal-Mart.
So tie a sock on it and realize we have some work to do and the left just may have some worthwhile ideas
Duncy
People in Detroit can find fresh produce, meat and affordable housing with ease. Right now the jobs are not there. However, people from Detroit do not go on rafts to Canada.
The left as in Patriotic liberals does have plenty to say. However, Marxist stooges have nothing worthwhile to say.
Which one of you loonies would like to pretend the economy in Caracas is doing well. Crime is up fresh food is scarce. Professionals are heading for the door.
Your religious fealty to failure is amusing in a flat earth type of way.
Hey Beak, one million Canadaians visit Cuba every year. Nice to live in a country where you have the freedom to travel where you want.
Hey, Beak! A former mayor of Montreal and the present leader of the Bloc Quebecois in parliament are ex-members of the Communist Workers Party. The most popular city councilor ever in Vancouver was a member of the Communist Party. Our former Prime Minister, Pierre Trudeau, was a personal friend of Fidel Castro. Nice to live in a country where people aren't raving paranoids like you...
And we also have, ta dum... socialized medicine! Nice to live in a country where you don't worry about being ruined by ill health. But that's those damned "socialists" for you eh? Preventing people from having the freedom to fear bankruptcy.
Beak, do you have any information on starvation in Cuba? I know several months ago the situation in Honduras was extremely bleak but I've read nothing about Cuba.
I'm not saying you're blowing smoke but sometimes you blow smoke.
Beak, what about the well over a quarter million Mexicans who were expelled from their homes with NO COMPENSATION by the Hoover administration in order to boost white employment at the start of the depression.
Beak I found this at the Department of Agriculture. More propaganda from that damn commie Obama:
Traditionally, Cubans eat rice, beans, chicken meat or pig meat, bananas, yuca, sugar and coffee. In the last years, there is a tendency towards an increased consumption of fruits and vegetables as well as of sugar and fats.
In the last MICS survey of 2000, the prevalence of malnutrition among pre-school age children, based on the three main anthropometric indicators, was below 5% at national level, with minimal differences among regions. The highest prevalence rates were see in rural areas and in the Occidente region where stunting was 7%. These remarkably low percentages of child malnutrition put Cuba at the forefront of developing countries. Overweight among children showed an increase in prevalence in the 1980s, followed by a decrease between 1993 and 1998 when prevalence rates stabilized around 5%.
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What's the childhood malnutrition rate in Detroit? Or in South Carolina if that Rethug gets his way and stops subsidized schools lunches.
Please reply.
Gambone
The fact that Canadians visit Cuba says zero about conditions there. The fact that a politician is friend with a criminal dictator says more about the lack of judgment on the part of the politician. The fact that the cities elected ex-commies says plenty. They had to conceal their identities to pass the smell test.
Communism is a criminal ideology and its adherents are mental and moral defectives. Gulags and Killing Fields do not just happen out of thin air. All that is required is a touch of Marx and
crimes against humanity just happen
to follow.
The American people have spoken again loudly and firmly. They do not want socialized medicine. This
is the wish of a rational people who opinions are above your limited IQ.
Duncy
Dominicans and Guatemalans are fleeing poverty. Do note that they do not run to Cuba. Moreover, in the Dominican community much of the movement is family reunification.
Do note that there are no shortages in either country. The jobs are not there now so some family members come to the USA and send money home. Do note they do not go to Cuba.
Beak, none of the Ex-CWP members concealed their pasts. Its just that we are not as nuts about the subject as you are.
Trudeau was #3 in the contest, "Greatest Canadian of all Time." Number 1 was Tommy Douglas, a socialist who introduced single payer medical. Number 2 was David Suzuki, the renown environmentalist (also a "socialist".
Beak, you are literally surrounded by (as you call them) "commies" or "commie-symps" - BILLIONS of them. A whole country of them to the North of you, a whole continent of them to the south of you. And all those French, Scandinavians etc socialists and commies all. And they all HATE you and those who think like you.
Commies, socialists, anarchists, environmentalist EVERYWHERE. Under the bed, in the jam, fucking your sister, drinking your beer, urinating on your lawn... you can't escape...
Beak: You didn't respond to my comment about expropriations during the American Revolution.
Stalinism is based on the liquidation of the Bolsheviks. It represents the thermidor against the Russian Revolution, just as Bonapartism represented the thermidor of the French Revolution.
Why did the Stalinist Cuban Communist Party support Batista? Why did they oppose expropriations that came later?
Beaker babbled, "The American people have spoken again loudly and firmly. They do not want socialized medicine. This is the wish of a rational people who opinions are above your limited IQ."
Er, Canada, Australia, Japan, New Zealand, Costa Rica, Cuba and the whole of Europe have "socialized medicine". Does that mean that all these people possess a limited IQ and are not rational?
Gamboner
Every country makes choices according
to its own history and culture. The fact that America has a different culture and history is above your limited IQ.
As for Canada, I do note that you stated ex Communist. They had to detach themselves from Communism in order for themselves to get elected.
As for Canadians being Communist this is nonsense. Quebec is a separate entity and at some point
will likely divorce itself from the rest of the country.
Canada was not on the front lines
in the Cold War and like many other states relied on the US military for protection. This allowed the creation of safety nets on the back of the US taxpayer.
As for Communists like rats they hide and conceal their identities.
Outside of a University gulag or big media outfit their politics would lead to unemployment. They
are not anywhere in significant numbers. Even in NYC one seldom finds them anywhere outside of Union Square.
The younger generation is more conservative than you think. Most of the people at the so called peace protests are aging hippies.
As far as hating me this is good.
Evil is to be confronted and dealt with. Alas, those enlightened Euros are on their last legs. It seems that all those socialist failed to learn about integrating
minorities into their country. A chorus of Bad Joooo, a pat on the head and welfare checks didn't work.
The Demographics of Northern Vermont are similar to Quebec except that the folks are more pragmatic. I was in the company of almost an entirely French local staff when the French riots broke out. They were amazed at a quote from French rioters in Paris wanting Police out of the occupied territories in FRANCE. It seems that endless welfare checks and choruses of Bad Joooo do not work.
What is needed were good jobs.
As you are quite old you will not see greater riots. They are on their way. Europe as you know it is finnished unless the safety nets are trimmed and work is encouraged.
Do note that when Blacks riot in America it is almost always due to
economics and a specific cause of injustice. Blacks serve in every part of America and merely want a larger stake of the pie. When Muslims revolt they seek separate
legal systems and do not want to be part of a society they view with disdain.
I guess safety nets and choruses of bad Joooo are not as effective as jobs.
Ren
We are not going to indulge your communism 2.0 game. What you call
Stalinism is the logical progression of Communism to its deadliest apex. There is zero evidence in the historical record
that shows Trotsky was less blood thirsty than Stalin. Even Enema Goldman was not fooled by the bait
and switch bit.
You are a follower of a death cult.
You are more fundamentalist and doctrinaire than the folks who watch the 700 club. You ceased to be American when you joined a hostile foreign movement. The only
reason you are tolerated is our traditions of intellectual freedom
and our superior system of justice
require you to act criminally. inevitably your kind does and then gets jobs at Universities.
Does anyone know when the Beak comes of drinking age?
What we all must realize is that agriculture required land, lots of land. And the farmers, who laid the foundations for nation-states and city walls, just kept annexing more and more land as totalitarian agriculture covered the globe. This happened in the Old World, on the Eurasian Continent, as it did in the New World. And the indigenous populations of these land masses were slowly but systematically shut out of their foraging and hunting habitats.
US history, and our Westward expansion, our Manifest Destiny, was the systematic theft of land (the Louisiana Purchase (annihilating or forcing out hundreds of Indian tribes), the Mexican Cession (a euphamism for the USA's war against Mexico, in which we stole half of their land; and the list goes on. Whether or not property is theft; it is certainly a concept that has led its would-be possesors to many a war, killing and stealing.
Beak, you're in NYC, it will probably be staged off Broadway in remembrance some time soon ... like the man says, go see Marx in Soho.
Do note that there are no shortages in either country. The jobs are not there now ...
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I'm trying to parse that Beak.
Oh, and did you notice that you straw manned again as you always do?
One thing cool about Montana lifestyle, and probably Siberian? is the opportunity for a nice mix of foraging and small agriculture. We have game and berries and mushrooms a plenty ( although that is subjective) and I can grow enough vegetables and domesticated fruit to get me through (if the bees don't disappear) Water is a big issue.
I will settle for Canadian social contract. Venezuela should concentrate on food security.I hope to get to Cuba next year to see for myself.
Does anyone know if Kultur has stopped smoking weed. Apparently, he watches too many Cheech & Chong films.
His analysis as usual is off the rocker. If one is going to complain about the war of 1848 or the Louisiana Purchase one should also note that France and Mexico were also on Indian land. Neither developed the area much.
Kultur as a typical Marxist clown also lies and is disingenuous. Commies commit identical atrocities in the current era and Kultur remains silent. I guess the Indians butchered by Ortega or abused by Chavez are martians. Of course commies using them in Chiapas as cannon fodder also eludes his grasp.
He wants to condemn America for its history while ignoring identical abuses in the current era by Communists. Of course we have not even touched on repeated episodes of Communist planned starvation, class genocide, mass deportations of whole ethnicities
and marketing of mindless brand name terrorism.
Kultur also ignores Muslim riots in so called enlightened Europe. Endless welfare checks and a chorus of bad Jooooo just does not seem to work. We also have to go back to LA for the last large riot. How does so called enlightened Europe get riots in recent history that were in several cities and countries.
People want jobs. Pats on the head and endless welfare checks have not worked.
Duncy
People in Detroit do not take rafts to Canada and can find fresh food with ease.
Wake us up when they go on rafts like Cubans
'Commies commit identical atrocities in the current era and Kultur remains silent. I guess the Indians butchered by Ortega or abused by Chavez are martians.'
Beak - take a pill and settle down! No civilized country (and yes the Commies are civilized, in spite of what you may believe) is exempt from the abuses that have been perpetrated upon indigenous cultures. Currently the Yanomami living in Brazil and Venezuela are being destroyed slowly; over 1,000 gold-miners are now working illegally on Yanomami land, transmitting deadly diseases like malaria and polluting the rivers and forest with mercury. Cattle ranchers are invading and deforesting the eastern fringe of their land.
The same goes for the Ayoreo-Totobiegosode Indians living in the Chaco, a vast expanse of dense, scrubby forest stretching from Paraguay to Bolivia and Argentina.
Their territory has been bought by land speculators and ranchers and is now being rapidly cleared. Bulldozers are everywhere.
None of these countries, their leaders or their administrations are to be passed over. All are guilty of crimes against their indigenous populations,,, AS ARE WE!
So go take a pill; or perhaps try a bottle of vodha and shut it up already. You are one pathetic excuse for a human being!!
Beak really is nuts. Here's the guy who equates any form of anti-capitalist or progressive thinking with "communism" and yet, when I point out to him that by those standards most of the world must be "communist" he back-pedals. Canadians, Europeans etc are no longer commies for all their commie stuff like socialized medicine but "just have different histories."
Troutsky could you remove that last comment. I am a member of another blog and if I forget to sign out it comes up with my co-editors name, Thanks
Beak really is nuts. Here's the guy who equates any form of anti-capitalist or progressive thinking with "communism" and yet, when I point out to him that by those standards most of the world must be "communist" he back-pedals. Canadians, Europeans etc are no longer commies for all their commie stuff like socialized medicine but "just have different histories."
Larry
I had no idea you were a switch hitter. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
No wonder you are always incoherent.
I attributed this senility and the low IQ required to be an anarchist.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Gambone really does have issues.
Maybe he will do a commie spoof
called Rogoberto/ Rigoberta next.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Kultur
Commies are not civilized in any definition of the term. Purposely starving people on multiple occasions is beyond the pale. These crimes are being committed
in the present.
The USA has made great steps to integrate Native Americans into society. The situation does not compare with Indians slaughtered by gunships while people like Ren were pitching lies.
As Indians died commies lied.
you are just stupid as a fucking stick, Beak; and you are the reason the world hates Joooos.
Kultur
You are a fraud and a hypocrite.
When and where have you held commies
responsible for crimes against indigenous people in the current era.
Your comments are reflective of institution bias of your kind in higher ed. No doubt they are more severe than anything Limbaugh ever said.
I do not agree with Marxism. I point out the historic crimes and
blatant bigotry and you confirm it
with that remark.
The only types who hate Joooos are
Marxist dupes, Anarchist freaks and Jihadist clowns. I have been to Tea Party events as an easily identified Jew. I have never once heard a single nasty remark.
I have also been at so called Peace protests and been subjected
to the lowest forms of bigotry. Your kind is just as bigoted as the KKK. Populist antisemitism used by commies and anarchists is not new.
You proved my point for me.
Beak, why do you go off constantly on this tangent about hating Jews?
Myself, I think it comes from serious regrets you have on leaving the orthodox community. You need a way to channel the resulting dislocation.
But your act does get old.
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