Fair and Balanced
In our local papers never-ending quest to present "objective journalism" they presented a point -counter point type "debate" on Sundays opinion page which I find instructive. Under the heading "Climate Change" we get Congress Should Seek Real Science by H.Sterling Burnett ( how classic is that?), a senior fellow with the National Center for Policy Analysis or ncpa. I myself am a senior fellow at the Institute for Masterbatory Expectorations or IME and so can vouch for my fellow senior fellow though for some reason? he gets picked up by McClatchy and I don't.
H Sterling says it all in his opener: "The Climate Gate scandal is a textbook case of professional malfeasance that should give Congress reason to pause before agreeing to a binding international agreement that would hamstring the world economy in order to prevent the climate from changing."
First notice the clever and original climate GATE. By having this "scandal" refer back to the Watergate break-in they are giving it a deep contextual territorialization.I also like the term "hamstring", a rural metaphor us down-homey types can understand. The criminals would cruelly hobble our continuing prosperity for the insane goal of putting climate in a state of stasis. Criminal and Utopian! but the question is why would they do such a horrible thing?
"Global warming alarmism has become a gravy train for scientists, bureaucrats and corporations... Pachauri and ..Al Gore have become millionaires."
Of course,that explains it, those greedy bastards! Hand me my pitchfork! Thank God H. Sterling is here to warn us "Before trillions more of our dollars are wasted in a vain effort to control the weather 100 years from now.." Thank God McClatchy Newspapers are here to give us both sides of the debate in a fair and balanced manner!
So when did you stop beating your wife? And did you do a cost-benefit analysis? The thing about objectivity and 'presenting both sides" is that to do so one must first pre-determine the middle, the neutral, the reasonable starting point. This is done for us, without our input or approval, as a hegemonic device for control.Far beyond the merits (there are none) or blatant lies and distortions (of which there are plenty) of H Sterlings case, there is the power to set parameters. He is a prostitute for a "free market" think tank which is paid to reinforce a dominant ideology and protect profits at the expense of other peoples lives.He is an acomplice to murder. He should be put on trial instead of given a column.
We find Sterlings fellow criminals in a Rolling Stone cover article( Jan) titled Those Idiots! It lays out the corporate/ government collusion, lobbyists, blah blah and then names 17 especially pernicious individuals. While I would love to see individuals punished, it would do little to solve the real problem, which is structural, and which Rolling Stone duly avoids.The Kochs, Mellons, Scaifes, Coors, Murdochs etc of this world are just actors in a play designed long ago and they have plenty of understudies.In other words, the problem wasn't Mussolini, the problem was fascism.
Mike Davis, in his essay The Ark (NLR 61) lays out the challenge rather starkly. "..the most heroic efforts of our childrens generation will be unable to forestall a radical reshaping of ecologies, water resources and agricultural systems...worldwide adaptation to climate change ,which presupposes trillions of dollars of investment in the rural and urban infrastructures of poor and medium income countries, as well as the assisted migration of tens of millions of people from Africa and Asia, would necessarily command a revolution of almost mythic magnitude in the redistribution of income and power."
I wouldn't say he is very optimistic about the chances and there are certainly massive forces being arrayed against change.They are the ones portraying the fight as one of capitalism vs socialism. I say absolutely, positively correct.Bring it on.
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The chairman of the National Center for Policy Analysis (NCPA) is ... wait for it ... Pete duPont.
Fair and balanced.
“The NCPA generates more analysis per dollar than any think tank in the country. It does an amazingly good job of going out and finding the right things and talking about them in intelligent
ways.”
- Newt Gingrich
Bet a lot of those dollars come from the duPont family. Yeah, the "right" things. Accent egout on the "right"
But all you need is to listen to rabies radio go on about the snow in Washington D.C. as if these fools don't understand the difference between moisture and temperature. And then pass the puck to Sister Sarah ...
Wrong once again politics was placed into science where it never belonged.Commies tried to perpetuate a scam and got nailed.
The fiction was so a bunch of Utopian freaks and losers could seek control of the economies of the globe. The environmental movement is just a back door Marxist tool.
Previous generations used pseudo science to rationalize eugenics with deadly consequences. We need to keep the politicos away from science.
Beakerkin is correct in the last sentence, about keeping the politicos away from science.
I can see why rightists are so afraid, of the climate change problem. There is no national solution.
If anything it is a backdoor capitalist plot. Cap and trade policy, is nothing more than speculation.
Gotta love the free market... hey Ren?
Beak, you seriously need to consider moving to Montana. You would make so many friends! A popular bumper sticker is: Earth First, we'll mine the other planets later!
But of course it is not a joke. It's one thing to say oops I was wrong about segregation or oops I was wrong about WMDs or oops I was wrong about self regulating markets or Glass Steagall. But to say oops I was wrong about carbon? Blinded by desire?
It is the modern "let them eat cake"
Those less squeemish will be dusting off their guillotines.
Cap and trade policy, is nothing more than speculation.
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Harper's had a good discussion of "cap and trade" recently. It made frequent use of words like "scam".
Essentially a very clever equity market that is much more concerned with moving kapital than with any conservation.
Hey Beak, your hero Giuliani's bag man just got four years inside. Can we have a statement?
Troutsky
Have you looked into the actual record of communist states environmental records. A simple examination of the record shows this is merely the latest scam to grab power.
The notion of commies trying to save the planet masquerading as Greens is a very sick joke. Then again greens themselves are almost as warped as commies. A typical green joke is Prof Joel Kovel whose
comedic writings belong in cartoon form.
Sorry, but if commies want to make
the planet a better place they need to emulate Jim Jones and practice class genocide on themselves.
Duncy
Lets see Kerik got a few dollars that did not belong to him. There is zero evidence of any of that money being sent to Rudy.
By all other standards he was an able and competent official. Crime in NYC went down under his watch.
An advocate of a system that maliciously starves its own citizens on purpose should think twice before pointing the finger at Kerik. As Kerik was competent he can not become a commie and steal from the people and line his own pocket with impunity and be hailed by the Bolshevik media.
Let's see:
Greece is close to anarchy; thegovernment of Holland hascollapsed (half the coalition resigned); Spain is next on the list of those struggling under EU debt requirements; Goldman-Sachs keeps taking profits, bonuses; Americans are flying planes into the IRS building... I would say...we are getting close to the Swan Song!!
Nobody here seems the least bit interested in the scientific issues of carbon and climate change. It's more fun to hurl political thunderbolts.
I liked Mike Davis' book on global slums, but his article simply takes doomsday scenarios as a starting point for his riff. Fun, but not much content.
Scientific investigation is sooo tedious.
If you read the scientific statements that comprise the so-called "consensus" on AGW, you might be surprised at how un-alarming they are.
Lichanos
There never was a global warming linked to human activity. The planet has had up and down cycles before man and will have them after man.
When science is linked to politics it is dangerous for man. Previous loonies promoted crank theories like eugenics.
The whole scam was to allow the Renegade Kidneys and the Che Bob types to pretend they are guardians of the planet. Sorry but Che Sponge Bob and Ren care about
nothing other than the power of the
death cult.
The actual Green movement prostituted itself by allowing Commies into its ranks. As such they are marginalized and reduced to laughing stocks until they send frauds like Kovel packing.
Greece is falling down in debt. Normally a country would devaluate their currency. It is connected to the Euro. That would bring down all of Europe. Instead they'll take it out on workers. Greece had the youth revolt last year.
The troubled European economies are called by Europeans PIGS. That stands for Portugal, Italy, Greece and Spain.
Beak seems to think the people he even calls entertainers Rush Limbaugh and Glen Beck, know more about climate, than the majority of scientists.
The Green Movement is the opposite of socialism. Socialism is about abundance and productivity.
On one hand you have climate change deniers, and climate change ideologues. Poor countries are not a model for enviromentalism. The global warming ideologues don't help, with the sky is falling talk. They want to go back to the 17th century.
With the industrialization and the wealth it created, the conditions are good for socialism, for the first time in history.
On the other hand Dr. Beakerkin is incorrect, that the sun is the only factor in global warning.
Not green but red.
Lichanos, I am a citizen who can be fooled by scientists. This is a huge problem. They are specialists in things I have little desire to become expert in and "knowledgeable" just doesn't cut it in this instance.I have been fairly successful in the past just looking at the actors.
Beak, what if you are wrong?
Ducky
I am not wrong on Global warming. There have been up and down cycles in temperature before the dawn of man and this will occur after man as well.
Troutsky
It is time you ditched the religious fundamentalist adherence to a zany death cult. Everything is about power and how to scam fools into giving Bolshevism another round of death.
You have a worthy failed mendicant
incoherent antisemitic philosopher
at this blog. Become a Krolikite and you can rejoin humanity although you will still be slightly less comedic than anarchists.
If you join the Krolikite Cult today the founder will throw a William Hung sings Folk Music. Yes
the great William Hung will bring
tears to your eyes and cause Mary
Travers to roll over in her grave
and clear the room of all occupants.
Ren
Do you drop acid before you comment. The entire planet knows the smoke and mirror game commies
play as greens.
The Green movement is dead.
Beak: The Green Party is dead. Each chapter does what it wants. Some don't even vote for the Green Party. In Minneapolis the Greens and Republicans supported the same guy for mayor.
I wouldn't say the Green movement is dead, I would say its dormant. The leadership of groups like the Sierra Club, are entrenched in the graveyard of social movements The Democratic Party.
To admit that climate change is a problem, doesn't mean you can't have soda pop in a styrofoam cup. You don't have to be a denier or an alarmist.
Renegade Spleen
The use of the pejorative denier to a real Jew is anti Semitic. Then again when one has supported a person who calls Holocaust Survivors liars and Ellie Wiesel a "circus clown" and is linked to a blog that frequently makes fun of the Holocaust and is frequently cited by Stormfront one should expect no less. Did you mention the planet's most notorious anti Semite is just by chance a Maoist.
The correct term is skeptic. Than again you are a member of a venomously antisemitic death cult.
You are like a lemming and repeat the cult line. Try these "Who need God when you have Che Sponge Bob?" "Che Bob is greater than Sponge Bob".
The Green movement is finnished in the United States. It prostituted itself and allowed Bolsheviks to set the agenda and practice entryism
There never was any link by man to global warming or an ice age to any human activity. This was a scam foisted by Bolsheviks who sought an alternate route to power.
In the United States the movement is finnished. It is discredited and serious people knew it was being exploited by commies. Now thanks to recent evidence and admissions it is finnished with the general public.
In Europe there will be another green movement. This is the color of the flag of Islam. Its advocates
will seek to place Sharia on non Mulims like much of the Arab world.
In your case you can ditch Marx for the Koran and repeat 90% of your rhetoric.
Nobody objects to Muslims enforcing laws that pertain to their own community like Dietary laws. However, try looking at family law in between mindless anti American rants. Then try to lay off the bong and move to criminal law.
Ren, I would agree that the Green Parties are probably finished. The problem is that they have made a turn to the right and many of their new membership could best be described as "green capitalists." We have also seen their right turn in Europe where the German Greens supported the attack on Serbia etc.
Still there are members of the Greens who have not turned right and these will be part of any future movement.
Other than the "primitivist" fringe, who politically account for ziltch, I know of no Greens who want to return to the 17th Century. Where do you get this idea from?
Larry G: There are some primitivist types in Minneapolis.
I found the Greens, to be well meaning, divided, and susceptible to every fad.
Beakerkin: Beakerkin sounds like Woody Allen talking about antisemitism. Again trivializing antisemitism. The people who hold your position are called deniers. If you look like a denier, and smell like a denier, you are a denier.
n Europe there will be another green movement. This is the color of the flag of Islam. Its advocates
will seek to place Sharia on non Mulims like much of the Arab world.
In your case you can ditch Marx for the Koran and repeat 90% of your rhetoric.
There are so many flaws in your position about the future of Europe. You have the same position as the Hitlerite BNP. You have their rap down word for word. Just like your idiot grandfather, you march under a fascist banner. Again your position is identical to the BNP.
Muslims in Europe have a dialectical relationship to European culture. people assimilate. They buy IPods. They watch Simon Cowell. They go to the prom.
The difference between Maoism and Trotskyism, is a river of blood.
There never was any link by man to global warming or an ice age to any human activity. This was a scam foisted by Bolsheviks who sought an alternate route to power.
Every major scientific body disagrees.
Are you going to resurrect Limbaugh's myth, that science triumped an ice age coming?
Beak has talk about Maoist green Party members, to divert talking science.
I am not wrong on Global warming. There have been up and down cycles in temperature before the dawn of man and this will occur after man as well.
That has nothing to do with the discussion.
There never was any link by man to global warming or an ice age to any human activity. This was a scam foisted by Bolsheviks who sought an alternate route to power.
That's a strawman argument. It has nothing to do with scientific conclusions. It replies to global warming ideologues, not scientists. You're talking about periods with no vegetation or plants.
The Trotskyists are the main enemy of the Islamists. You supported arming them against a secular government, that schooled females in Afghanistan. I never supported Islamists. Capitalism and Islamism, are two sides of the same coin.
Nobody objects to Muslims enforcing laws that pertain to their own community like Dietary laws. However, try looking at family law in between mindless anti American rants. Then try to lay off the bong and move to criminal law.
Incoherent stuff.
I can't talk about your grandfather, without spitting.
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The reaction of my family was quite
typical. Even Ethel ( One of Ren's
idols) the traitors father did not
talk to her for years after she became a commie. She decided to orphan her children to protect her
fellow traitors. Commies merely lied about this for decades.
The pejorative denier is used by commies to link those who know the truth about the Bolshevik lie of global warming to Holocaust denial.
This term when addressed to a real
Jew ( as a commie you are a fraud)
is a pejorative. It is rather reflective of the ingrained antisemitism of your kind.
Alas there are no differences between commies. What you call Stalinism is the natural progression of your disgusting faith to its logical conclusion. Playing the rope a dope Trotsky bit
to try and remove yourself from the history of Communism fools nobody. As for Stalinists killing Trotskyites, rival mafia families
do kill each other over turf frequently. Any comparison between the mafia and communists is an insult to hard working competent
criminals everywhere.
The emails and the admissions are coming. There is no link between
human activity and climate change.
The Bolshevik scam is over and the Green party is finnished in the USA. It will be a long time before this scandal is forgotten.
Real environmentalists grasp that the best way to get change is by working with existing parties and kicking the anti Capitalist Bolsheviks out. Unfortunately, the damage created by entryist Bolsheviks has crippled this movement.
Onto Islam and the deception of Renegade Testicle. The testicle who regularly lies about commie and Nazi alliances seeks to link a Constitutionalist to a racist British party.
The BNP is largely a counter reaction to the Commie malfeasance as typified by the laughing stock Rowan Williams who sees nothing wrong with implementing Sharia in the UK. The Africans who have had first hand experience with this didn't find his remarks funny. The only African supporter the commie Williams could dredge up was Desmond Tofu, a fellow commie. In short Euro commies told Africans to shut up when it disagreed with their death cult plans.
Muslims apply theological law upon non Muslims with regularity. The USA has a tradition of Civil law. Any attempts to impose religious law would violate the ethos of my country. ( Communists are not American and regularly claim to be citizens of the planet. They never renounce their citizenship and live in the messes they advocate for others.) A look at the Jim Crow elements of Sharia law leaves zero doubt as to why Christians leave the PA and emigrate to Israel.
Ren can merely replace his manifesto for a Koran and repeat the same rhetoric. He even has a great role model MILF from Lebanon. His so called friend tried to perpetuate a fraud by portraying honor killings as a Yezidi phenomenon. The Yezidi are indigenous people who were thrown off their land by Commie Saddam Hussien. The vast preponderance of these killings are Muslims. Ren's so called friend showed zero knowledge of the Yezidi and attempted to present the matter deislamified. She had zero knowledge that Yezidi women are frequently abducted by Muslims. She also had zero knowledge of centuries of abuse by Muslims on the Yezidi people.
Commies, Nazis, Jihadis and Greens unite in a populist alliance to return to the seventh century. It is 1979 redux, but at least the jihadis kill the commies after they consolidate power. Ren also frequently lies about the role of Commies in the Iranian revolution.
Sorry, but I will stick with individual rights as based in the Constitution while he can promote terrorism, drug dealing and Jim Crow. Perhaps his buddy Hugo can sell him distribution rights. Superfly Renegade Eye drug dealer of the people has a nice ring to it. The Black Panthers allready established that recipe.
Superfly Renegade Eye
Limbaugh was actually correct that there were plenty of scientists who predicted an Ice Age prior to the global warming trend. The planet has gone through warming and cooling cycles before man. Any claim that these are linked to human activity is fraud.
The fraud is amateur and even with Bolshevik media connivance the truth emerged.
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Exhibit A: Beak
That is the level of irrationality that is out there in sufficient force to block political or economic change.
TURNING and turning in the widening gyre
The falcon cannot hear the falconer;
Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold;
Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,
The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
The best lack all conviction, while the worst
Are full of passionate intensity.
Surely some revelation is at hand;
Surely the Second Coming is at hand.
The Second Coming! Hardly are those words out
When a vast image out of Spiritus Mundi
Troubles my sight: somewhere in sands of the desert
A shape with lion body and the head of a man,
A gaze blank and pitiless as the sun,
Is moving its slow thighs, while all about it
Reel shadows of the indignant desert birds.
The darkness drops again; but now I know
That twenty centuries of stony sleep
Were vexed to nightmare by a rocking cradle,
And what rough beast, its hour come round at last,
Slouches towards Bethlehem to be born?
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Although at this point Yeats might have to reconsider anarchy in place of what we have.
I am stunned that Beak knows the truth about absolutely everything. Wish he'd get to work on a health insurance or energy policy.
"I found the Greens, to be well meaning, divided, and susceptible to every fad."
I think this is pretty accurate, but where I live some of them are very solid and not given to faddism or green capitalism.
Once again Beak. If USians who oppose US wars, support measures to deal with climate change, and friendship for Cuba etc are communists, what does that say about Canadians? The great majority of Canadians agree with those things. Please don't throw in red herrings about Canadian views not being important, that is not the point. The question is, if Canadians take "communist" positions on some of the most important issues of our time, what does that make them politically in your estimate?
Gambone
Commies are fond of talking about the "ugly American". This has been replaced with the "obnoxious Euro" and the "irrelevant Canadian".
The USA does not govern itself by public opinion polls conducted abroad. The opinions of non- Citizens are not relevant to a discussion of US policy.
Moreover, I would question the veracity of your claims. The opinions of people outside Quebec are a tad more to the right than you presume. Polls can be made to say anything depending on the malfeasance of the pollster.
People like Ren need to renounce their citizenship and live with Hugo full time. Perhaps Rush Limbaugh can do a radiothon. Give each commie like Ren $1000,000 to renounce his citizenship and emigrate. Venezuela gets commies and cash and the USA gets rid of political criminals.
Ducky
There is and was never any connection of human activity to Global warming.
As far as policy, doing the exact opposite of what commies advocate
is usually sound policy.
Beak why do you insist on this red herring tactic? It doesn't matter whether it has any impact or not on US govt policies. The question is if you deem certain positions held by other Americans,"communist", then surely other people elsewhere must also be "communist". It is just a matter of logic. Why are you so afraid to come out and say that most Canadians (and Europeans and Latin Americans) are, by your learned political analysis, a bunch of commies?
Beakerkin: Why did scientists switch from cooling to global warming? New and better equipment about ten years later, showed different results. Deniers lead that out.
Stalinism is the natural result of socialism in an isolated, underdeveloped country. The revolution failed in Germany, so it's only natural that a poor country would have a deformed socialism.
Your politics are straight BNP. They are the descendants of the neo-Nazi movement in London, that got destroyed by the Trotskyists during WWII. Your line is straight neo-Nazi. Your position on Islam, is beyond being against political Islam. Heck your grandfather, who I can't think of without spitting, fought with a leader who became allied with Stalin. Pilsudski got along with Stalin. Stalin used him to put down Bolsheviks.
I was against political Islam, from before you were born. I supported the government critically that allowed women in Afghanistan to be educated. What side were you on? Answer: Islamists!
My blog team member Maryam Namazie, voted twice secular person of the year, leader of The Committee of Ex-Muslims, is an international leader against Sharia. Unlike you she is consistent. I told her, I wanted someone from the left, who opposes Islamism writing for my blog. She opposes religion being taught to minors. In addition she is the leader of the Worker-Communist Party of Iran.
The Soviets having the bomb, prevented war.
Thought this might be of interest!!
ScienceDaily (Jan. 21, 2009) — While the harsh winter pounding many areas of North America and Europe seemingly contradicts the fact that global warming continues unabated, a new survey finds consensus among scientists about the reality of climate change and its likely cause.
A group of 3,146 earth scientists surveyed around the world overwhelmingly agree that in the past 200-plus years, mean global temperatures have been rising, and that human activity is a significant contributing factor in changing mean global temperatures.
Peter Doran, University of Illinois at Chicago associate professor of earth and environmental sciences, along with former graduate student Maggie Kendall Zimmerman, conducted the survey late last year.
The findings appear January 19 in the publication Eos, Transactions, American Geophysical Union.
In trying to overcome criticism of earlier attempts to gauge the view of earth scientists on global warming and the human impact factor, Doran and Kendall Zimmerman sought the opinion of the most complete list of earth scientists they could find, contacting more than 10,200 experts around the world listed in the 2007 edition of the American Geological Institute's Directory of Geoscience Departments.
That will never convince the deniers, Kulturcritic. The problem with them, and indeed all the other ideological fanatics, is that their world view is not formed through reason and evidence but by their hates and fears.
This is one of the problems for the "left" - we can win all the arguments but still not convince a lot of people, because the basis of their world view is not rational.
Here we go again with the developmentally disabled Superfly Renegade Testicle Dope dealer for the unwashed asses.
Lets see at the time my family fought for Poland they were fighting criminal thug Bolsheviks. History has proven this was the correct position as viewed by the vast majority of Poles who are not fond of Commies.
Commies and Nazis were allies and conspired to divide Central Europe.
The treachery is soft peddled by communist clowns who don't know a thing about history and write whole
chapters they find inconvenient out
of existence.
The bait and switch game by communists blaming ills on Mao or
Stalin is more excuses. The brutality of Trotsky and Lenin was quite evident prior to Stalin's escalation. The real Trotsky belongs is on a par with Saddam Hussein. Hussein just happened to be a member of a French Communist inspired Party armed with Soviet Weaponry and advisers.
Communists are more religiously fundamentalist in their orthodoxy
than the folks at the 700 club.
Your friend took a problem that is
almost entirely Muslim and presented it maliciously as a Yezidi phenomenon. This slatnder was deliberate and malicious fabrication aimed at real indigenous people. Her response to
my pointing this out was duhhhhhh.
Great as leader of the communist party of Iran she can collaborate
with the next band of thugs like
her peers in 79. Sorry, but VS Naipul describes her kind in ironic comedic fashion in his writtings.
Alas your kind usually pulls Old Yeller solutions on the Larry Gambones of the world. The Clerics
merely replayed classic communist tactics on Commies themselves. A broken clock is right twice a day.
The evidence suggest the commies would have been more brutal than the clerics.
The deranged Ren makes a claim that a real Jew is a Nazi. This is par for the entrenched cliche bigotry that commies are famous for. While the Rosenbergs were betraying America their partner was killing Jews with fake trials
and disappearances.
A real Nazi is linked to Ren's site and this one. Sonia who is not prone to exageration has described LWB/John Brown as a Nazi. People as diverse as CB, Jams and a Jewish Commie pal of Grame's with the last name of Fink
objected to his rants. The rants were welcomed and approved by you.
That blog is regularly featured on Stormfront. However, both you and the Trout welcome the real thing.
My criticism of racial hygiene was
spelled out loudly on my blog.
I want to know what makes a Communist think they are superior
to a member of the BNP. While I find the BNP odious they have never
killed 100,000,000, committed treason, sponsored terrorism or a fraction of the crimes against humanity perpetrated by commies
Still haven't answered my question Beak...
Someone who supports the Tea Baggers has a lot of gall to call other people testacles.
Gambone
The truth is that regular people don't care about foreign policy. The political classes that you claim speak for all of Canada really do not.
In the USA we have the same game here. A clown like Renegade Anus will form an irrelevant probably illegally funded group like HOV hold a few rallies and sponsor some loaded polls and claim to talk for far larger numbers.
The Canadian people do not hold those idiotic opinions. Moreover, people outside of Quebec are more to the right. Canada has not elected open Communists. Similar loaded questions have been used by
commie 9-11 truthers to claim a majority of NYC residents believe 9-11 was a hoax.
The views of non citizens on American policies are irrelevant.
@Kultur:
A group of 3,146 earth scientists surveyed around the world overwhelmingly agree that in the past 200-plus years, mean global temperatures have been rising, and that human activity is a significant contributing factor in changing mean global temperatures.
Thanks so much for this, Kultur. An excellent example of vacuous assertion in favor of AGW. Consider:
The earth has been warming for the last 200 years - EVERYONE knows that. That marked the end of the "Little Ice Age." See my post on the severe winter in early 18th century France recorded in Saint Simon's memoirs for an annecdotal description.
"Significant contributing factor..." Again, TOTAL agreement on that! But how much is "significant?" Disagreement. And how much has it warmed "globally?" Disagreement.
What is the human cause of the "contribution" to the warming? No statement here. Are we to assume it's discharge of CO2? What about changes in land use for agriculture and urbanization? Some see those as more, or equally important. So CO2 is contributing some of human contribution to the warming. So what amount is that?
Will it continue? Nobody knows - no statement from the surveyed scientists.
Boring you yet? So it goes...
Who picked the scientists? Why only "earth scientists?" What were the criteria?
:ichanos
I onlyposted it FYI. I personally don't necessarily buy what any expert has to say on anything. I have had enough experience to know that experts have their points of view, and numbers can do anything you want. If you are so inclined go and explore those questions and report back to us; I am sure it will be mouth watering shit!
Beakerfullofshit - a classic case of denial
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Kultur:
...go and explore those questions and report back to us...
You can search my blog for AGW, or global warming and you'll find a lot of stuff on just this topic. This post is a good place to start as it examines a famous survey of scientific opinion on the same topic: http://wp.me/p3LmG-yt
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