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In a discussion the other night it was noted that much disagreement centers on differing views of human nature, often the old Hobbes vs Rousseau debate. I just ran across this essay by James Quinney over at New Left Project:
"In essence, the Hobbesian position has proved popular not because of it's scientific rigour- which as we have examined is at the very least highly contested- but precisely because it rationalizes and perpetuates an inequality in social power that is integral to capitalist societies."
Quinney, an anthropologist,cites much research on cooperative indigenous societies and makes a good case. Meanwhile ,Chantel Mouffe, in her book Return of the Political, is willing to "acknowledge that the 'state of nature' in it's Hobbesian dimension can never be completely eradicated but only controlled..." She sees antagonism as a good thing, to be channeled into political struggle lest it devolve into ethnic, nationalist or religious conflict where ones adversary to contend with becomes ones enemy to destroy.
"Far from being the necessary result of a moral evolution of humankind, democracy is something uncertain and improbable..It is an always fragile conquest that needs to be defended as well as deepened. There is no threshold of democracy that once reached will guarantee its continued existence. Democracy is in peril not only when there is insufficient consensus and allegiance to the values it embodies, but also when it's agonistic dynamic is hindered by an APPARENT EXCESS of consensus..."
So when Obama goes to the Chamber of Commerce and says he wants everyone to just get along, labor, capital, government,all one big happy family, he is proposing just this very EXCESS of consensus. It is false and debilitating and continues hollowing out the last vestige of democracy. Obama knows full well the inherent antagonism and he knows exactly which side he is on.

7 Comments:
Will the advocates of class genocide
stop feigning that they are the moral arbiters of anything. Marxists are political criminals and belong in mental health facilities or prisons with Nazis, jihadis and racial hygiene nuts.
The only thing that saves your kind from being locked up or treated as a mental health patient is the First Amendment. As commies trample the rights of others when in power ( for their own good) you are actually a moral pariah.
People who advocate communism for others should be required to live under it 24/7.
It is time for Commies to depart for Hugo's crack den.
Fact Walmart has done more to help the working class than Commies did in their entire history.
All really good arguments Beak.I'm glad you brought up Machiavelli, the Discourses is just what I'm talking about.
Sam Walton and Joe Hill are both great working class heroes.
Beak, your allusion to mental health patients is extremely ironic.
Care to comment on Troutsky's comment on The Dialogues and the nature of the division of power? Does Sam Walton have u a little out of balance?
Absolutely correct on Hobbes!!. Just like Locke, it is a justification for the inequalities in a "civil" society, under the management of a legislator. But as JJ Rousseau pointed out in , On the Origins of Private Property: "The first man to have put a fence around a plot and said 'this is mine...' his fellow men should have ignored him, or cut his balls off.." Not an exact quote, but close enough... Whaddya say BEAK?
Beak's in Guyana on a classified mission, kultur.
He left emergency contacts at his site.
Kultur
I am in a holding pattern awaiting transport to parts unknown.
Good to hear from you especially because all of your material is a fresh take on really bad ideas. To paraphrase Nixon " The greatest crime is to be boring." Ren is a series of cliches attached to a zombie.
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